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1 posted on 09/19/2013 2:42:53 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Beginning to think that Byron York is a Democrat.


2 posted on 09/19/2013 2:44:30 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: markomalley

I am glad to say my former Congressman Tom Graves (my district changed slightly and I got a new Congressman Doug Collins)spearheaded the revolt with a number of other brave conservatives (my new Congressman included).


4 posted on 09/19/2013 2:50:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: markomalley

Cruz has been right all along and THAT is what makes these old Republicans angry.


7 posted on 09/19/2013 3:30:30 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: markomalley
Come on Byron, you are either attempting to generate a schism where none should exist or your trying to find an excuse to put words on paper.

Every second day you were on Bill Bennett's radio show telling the world that the votes were not there in the Senate; you admit yourself that Ted Cruz all along has said that the votes presently were not there in the Senate; you admit that Ted Cruz has said all along that it is necessary for the people to put pressure on their legislators for this to succeed.

Where is the story? York now quotes these obscure Republican congressman as somehow feeling betrayed by Ted Cruz? Please. Many of our Republican legislators might be stupid but there is none of them too stupid not to know how to count and it has always been obvious that with Republicans in the minority in the Senate and with Senate Rinos hardly an endangered species, that the votes were not there and are not yet there.

But the most annoying aspect of this article is the fact that the votes to defund Obamacare do not have to be there in the Senate. They have to be there only in the House of Representatives and once Obamacare is defunded, the entire equation changes. That is Ted Cruz's argument, it has always been Ted Cruz's argument. He has argued that the Republicans must make the case to the people that it is Obama shutting down the government, Obama is doing so out of ideology to defend his signature piece of legislation which is killing jobs, killing the economy, ruining healthcare, and ultimately ruining the nation.

In making that argument we will be making it to a segment of the country which already is a majority, that is the majority of the people who are already opposed to Obamacare. Once Obamacare is defunded by the House, the question is not why do Republicans want to shut down the government but why do Democrats want to shut down the government to preserve Obamacare? If the Senate declines to accept the Republican continuing resolution to keep the government open, and claim that it is the House Republicans who are shutting down the government when it is in fact the Democrats, nothing prevents the Republicans every single day of the week when The House is in session from passing a new continuing resolution which funds the government apart from Obamacare. Every day the Democrats will have to make persuasive logic out of the fallacy, they will have to stand reality on its head, they will have to lie day after day. Sooner or later the absurdity of their position will become clear even to low information voters and that will eventually change the dynamic in the Senate.

So far the mainstream media has put out as indisputable reality that by failing to fund Obamacare the Republicans would be proactively shutting down the government. That is a preposterous and untenable statement of fact. Force the Democrats to defendant it. Take reality to the people.

It is at this point that the left and the Rino's cleverly shift the argument. It is at this point that they say, "the votes are not there in the Senate" and "the president certainly will not sign a bill repealing Obamacare." This is not a bill to repeal Obamacare but to defund it. The issue before the country is whether or not to keep the government open without funding Obamacare the issue is not whether or not to repeal Obamacare. This puts Senate Democrats, Senate Rinos, and the president on much less advantageous ground. They are shutting down the government to deny the people a delay in the implementation of Obamacare when they have already delayed, exempted, or subsidized the implementation of Obamacare for themselves and their cronies. The Democrats position only succeeds if they can flimflam the people into believing that it is the Republicans and not they themselves who are shutting down the government.

Which side of that argument would you rather debate? Which side of that argument would be more comfortable for a Senate Rino? Once shut down the issue is not whether Obamacare should be repealed but whether the government should be kept open. Republicans want to keep it open the Democrats want to shut it down. Which side of that debate do you like?


8 posted on 09/19/2013 3:34:04 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: markomalley

The point is, lean on your Senators!


13 posted on 09/19/2013 3:45:11 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: markomalley

Harry can strip the defunding language, but if the reconciled bill fails a vote in the House, it’s back to square one.

I don’t know if we have that much spine in the House. Stay on the phones to your Representatives!


20 posted on 09/19/2013 3:55:38 AM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: markomalley

Cruz is correct. Don’t end it, suspend it.

Let’s get a veto-proof majority in 2014.


23 posted on 09/19/2013 4:06:18 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: markomalley
Massive Non-Compliance


(not holding my breath)

28 posted on 09/19/2013 4:33:26 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: markomalley

Remember the Alamo!

Never underestimate the power of a grand but futile effort based on principle!

Think John Belushi in Animal House.

Senate Republicans - Stand Your Ground.

30 posted on 09/19/2013 4:45:56 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Tried to tell 'em Affirmative Action was a bad idea...Now look what happened!)
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To: markomalley

Go ahead and let Reid get all of those Democrat Senators to vote against defunding Obamacare. They will be on the record as imposing it on us yet again and the people responsible for a government shutdown.
The voters want the Republicans to defund this monstrosity.


31 posted on 09/19/2013 4:58:51 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: markomalley

Screw the Senate if the House won’t fund it we win. Make the dems face reality that they don’t own us.


34 posted on 09/19/2013 5:10:35 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453
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To: markomalley

Unless the legislator was living under a rock to a person House members know de-funding is an iffy proposition in the Senate. I don’t know why York presented that as a “blame Cruz” issue. I would have rather seen speculation on the next move on those 2000 pages of shall’s and shant’s,creating new expanded bureaucracies, “fees”, plus references to another 52,000 shall and shant directed to other government agencies.


36 posted on 09/19/2013 5:15:46 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: markomalley

If they had listened to Cruz at all then they shouldn’t be surprised because he’s virtually the only politician I know who has never wavered from what he believes and has always said what he believes. He has never tailored what he says to fit someone elses expectations.


42 posted on 09/19/2013 5:37:02 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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Cruz is talking about informing and leading rather than nose counting and following.

I understand those are frightening foreign concepts to RINOs.

47 posted on 09/19/2013 6:20:43 AM PDT by skeeter
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