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Editorial: Ted Cruz and the ‘birther’ issue
Dallas News ^ | Aug 19, 2013 | Edtitorial

Posted on 09/02/2013 4:25:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: upchuck
When I think of people who are born in foreign lands to U. S. Citizens, I think of that kid being returned to the U. S. in short order, to live here as a citizen.

I pretty much believe that's what Cruz did in time. I don't know all the particulars yet, but there's nothing in this world that drives me more crazy than watching a FReeper claim one set of rules for over five years, turn right around and argue the opposite line of reasoning when it's his own fair haired boy running.

His mother was single at the time. She was in a foreign nation. Cruz currently holds duel citizenship from what I understand. I'm sorry, but that does raise questions for me.

What amazes me, is that in a nation of 317 million people, we only seem to be able to find the fringe person that can lead. What the hell is that all about? We don't have any citizens that were born on U. S. soil that have a sound enough Conservative mind that they can run, win, and lead this nation forward?

If we don't, then what the hell are we wasting our time on? And here you are already setting up the scenario so nobody can discuss the issue. Wow, how very pro First Amendment of you.

I like Cruz a lot, but I want him vetted just the same way we would any other person. I am not convinced he is eligible yet, and I'm not going to sit here and have you tell me whether I can discuss the issue here or not.

21 posted on 09/02/2013 4:57:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Jim Robinson

Whatever the in’s and out’s of the situation (I’ve been pretty much keeping out of the Cruz debates) I see clear trouble brewing. People are being one-dimensionally labeled here. He’s a birther, or she’s not a birther, etc. We are not one dimensional creatures any more than God who created us in His image is a one dimensional God... folks, give the Creator some respect wouldja??? Talk if you must about birthist philosophy (now there’s a new term) but this label stuff... well you know even a blind pig gets an acorn now and then, and the liberals are right when they complain about one dimensional personal labeling. (They err to the other end of the continuum, a dirty grey equality, but that’s another story. It does not apply here.)


22 posted on 09/02/2013 5:02:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Indeed. What I find objectionable about the article is the unwarranted assumption of equivalency of Obama's qualification as a natural born citizen to Sen. Cruz's. Sen. Cruz is not withholding and fabricating evidence of his origin. I think it is mendacious of the Dallas Star to equate the two.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

23 posted on 09/02/2013 5:02:37 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age."

/johnny

24 posted on 09/02/2013 5:06:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jim Robinson
No amount of birth certificates

I believe the amount of birth certificates has been *zero*, unless you count the ones allegedly found in Kenya.

There have been multiple "Certificates of Live Birth", meaning that at the very least, all but one were forgeries, but we've just been told that there is one and that that should be good enough for anyone. And the fact that there was one doesn't actually state what it said.

Curiously, did anyone actually swear an affidavit that there was or about what it said.

25 posted on 09/02/2013 5:06:25 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Cruz currently holds duel citizenship from what I understand.

No, he doesn't.

/johnny

26 posted on 09/02/2013 5:07:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Do we have a “plan B” to execute if “plan A” (candidacy) does not pan out?

For what it’s worth I say if there is genuine, arguable doubt... be bold. The Democrats were. We should be too. Push Cruz until either better is encountered (I still love Sarah Palin but some disagree) or another insuperable wall is reached. It would be real amusing to watch the Democrats, while Barack Obama is still seated, raise arguments that will (er, pardon the term) blacken Barack. But you know, I don’t think they’d dare. If in doubt as Martin Luther said, sin boldly... the Lord will correct as needed....


27 posted on 09/02/2013 5:07:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: KTM rider

One of the 2012 R Presidential candidates was overheard by Larry Sellin saying that nobody would touch the eligibility issue because they all knew it went WAY DEEPER than anybody was willing to delve. IOW, they all knew that 2008 was a coup.

This article has so many inaccuracies it isn’t even funny. It’s the same low standard of accuracy that we’ve come to expect from the threatened media. The first people to bring up eligibility were those contesting McCain’s eligibility. And the first legal challenge to OBAMA’s eligibility came from Phil Berg, a Hillary supporter, before the 2008 DNC Convention. Specifically one day after Stephanie Tubbs died of an aneurysm (a preferred method of medical assassination) shortly after she had agreed to present a petition at the DNC Convention allowing a 2nd vote where delegates would be released from voting for the candidate they were pledged to, and Obama’s ineligibility could be exposed and Hillary lawfully chosen as the D candidate. Tubbs had to agree to present the petition because Bill Gwatney, who had agreed to present the petition, was shot dead very shortly (like one day, IIRC) after he agreed to do so...

So four critical errors in this author’s discussion of Obama’s eligibility situation:

1. McCain’s eligibility was challenged first.
2. Obama’s eligibility was first challenged by a democrat in the primary.
3. The certified statements from Hawaiian officials include a letter of verification in which the HI state registrar refused to certify any birth facts listed on the actual request form and a Hawaii Democratic Party Official Certification of Nomination wherein Brian Schatz failed to certify that Obama was the candidate of the Hawaii Democratic Party (since one whole physical line of text was taken out in a desperate attempt to get rid of the standard “Constitutionally-eligible” language and the required certification of being the HDP’s candidate was inadvertently removed). So we have no idea who his mother was.

4. Even if Stanley Ann Dunham was his mother, she was too young to pass US citizenship on to her child.


28 posted on 09/02/2013 5:10:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What is this supposed to mean? It whizzed right by me.


29 posted on 09/02/2013 5:10:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Dallas Morning Bowel Movement sure has it out for Senator Cruz.


30 posted on 09/02/2013 5:11:05 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Cruz is a great constitutional conservative. Has argued and won many case before the supreme court defending life, marriage, religious freedom, guns, the tenth amendment, etc. all issues near and dear to our hearts. He fights for constitutionally limited government, states rights, local control over education, border security, to abolish ObamaCare and a whole host of ABC agencies, to balance the budget and CUT government. He's a Reaganite and a natural born American citizen in every sense of the word. A patriot. Probably the very best conservative currently serving in office.

Click on the icons per issue on this page to see his position, record and quotes on each one:

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Senate/Texas/Ted_Cruz/Views/

31 posted on 09/02/2013 5:11:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen to that.


32 posted on 09/02/2013 5:11:24 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: mylife

Yeah, but they admitted he’s eligible here.


33 posted on 09/02/2013 5:12:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good.
The paper is still fish wrap.


34 posted on 09/02/2013 5:15:18 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

That’s true, but they are leftists.

And unfortunately, there are lots of folks who have too much invested emotionally in Obama’s ineligibility, that they’re afraid Cruz will destroy their case. But I don’t know. As they’re pointing out on this very thread, Ann Dunham was not old enough at Obama’s birth to satisfy the law.


35 posted on 09/02/2013 5:16:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

So they gave the world sound and fury, signifying nothing.

“Lord close the mouths of the young lions.”


36 posted on 09/02/2013 5:16:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I like Ted.


37 posted on 09/02/2013 5:18:03 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If the Left is trashing him, he's probably okay. I, too, like Sarah Palin - what a withering smear campaign she faced! I also like Allen West - it would be interesting to see what a real black man - a loyal American and combat veteran - could accomplish as POTUS.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

38 posted on 09/02/2013 5:18:03 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: butterdezillion
So we have no idea who his mother was.

In one sense, you're wrong on that point. I am 100% certain that Obama is a son of a . . .

39 posted on 09/02/2013 5:19:24 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You really should take down your Christmas lights. Christmas has come and gone and now summer’s nearly over.


40 posted on 09/02/2013 5:20:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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