This ain't about Obama, at least any more. It's about the Constitution of The United States. It's about the Republic.
Check out # 29.
Thanks, Kenny Bunk.
Posted on 08/20/2013 9:18:54 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
Questions about Cruz’s eligibility have everything to do with interpretation of the law; the questions about Obama’s eligibility had everything to do with a dispute over the underlying facts — more specifically, conspiracy theories about whether the president was actually born in the United States, as he claimed, and whether he somehow forged a birth certificate that said he was born in Hawaii.
Obama was also born to a mother who was a U.S. citizen, meaning if he was in fact born outside the United States, the situations might be parallel. But birthers weren’t making a legal argument about Obama; they were arguing the facts about where he was born and accusing him of perpetrating a massive fraud.
In Cruz’s case, nobody is disputing the underlying facts of the case — that Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban father and a mother who was a United States citizen. As we wrote back in March, that makes him a U.S. citizen himself, but it’s not 100 percent clear that that is the same thing as a “natural born citizen” — the requirement for becoming president.
Most scholars think it’s the same thing, and the Congressional Research Service said in 2011 that someone like Cruz “most likely” qualifies to run for president. But to this point, there is no final word from the courts, because while foreign-born candidates have run — including George Romney and John McCain — none of them has actually won and had his eligibility challenged.
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That is why I will not be complicit to any degree in any sudden press interest in Cruz's birth eligibility now.
Has it occurred to anyone that Cruz is playing his hand to force the discussion that would out Zippos ineligibility?
As I was reading down this thread, I started thinking that and then read your post.
T’would be a brilliant move on Cruz’s part.
He is no dummy. I also get the impression that he does not have this huge ego that would get in the way of reality. I think he knows he is not eligible and he knows Zippos is not as well. He has not brought up the idea of running for President, the MSM has. They did that in hopes of the masses and the GOP to allow it in an effort to show that Zippo was eligible.
Prove it! And NOT with another fake BC!
Until a valid birth certificate is presented, there is no proof that 0bama was whelped by Stanley Dunham. He could well have been adopted.
The chumps at WaPo can’t be trusted.
They will do a bait and switch, contort their views if Cruz attempts to run. They will cheer lead for the OBots and HillBots against Cruz and forget that bogus 2011 CRS report. They’ll all scream jus soli jus soli and Cruz is not! I highly doubt Cruz will attempt to run.
What is the ‘same’ is the issue of current day dual citizenship - or at least dual citizenship eligibility.
Like Cruz (and the PM of Thailand)Obama was born (assuming any shred of truth in the debunked narrative story) to a British Citizen father - BHO (Sr.). As such he was at least eligible for British Citizenship.
Some say Obama (based on the debunked narrative story) was a US citizen at birth. But he was ALSO British citizen at birth. And there is no indication he ever formally denounced his British heritage. To do so requires form RN and an appearance in front of a British official.
So is the matter completely different? No.
Given the ‘strong check’ against foreign influence that the natural born requirement is supposed to provide it is doubtful that the founding fathers would accept the son of Cuban or (especially) British citizen father as natural born.
Of course the article does bring forward the real issue with Obama - who is he and what is his (real) past. His own (with some likely help from Mr. Ayers) auto-biography contains a narrative that is now known and exposed to be filled with falehoods. He father did not leave the family. They never were a ‘family’. He omitted anything of him and his mother living in Washington. Its all a lie. And there is no doubt its a lie at this point. So what was the truth. Why was the truth hidden, omitted and changed? If part of the infamous narrative is suspect - the its all suspect.
Amazing how the real issue oozes out of an article like this. Even WaPo can not keep it from leaking out.
Doesn’t being born to US citizens make you a US citizen?
I have definite ideas on the subject, though. One of those ideas is that a "natural born Citizen" is the offspring of two American citizens, whether naturalized, natives, or naturals.
Call me crazy, but I would really like the SCOTUS to look at one of the many well-founded appeals that has reached their office. Instead, various of the black-robed bum-kissers have admitted avoiding the issue all together on various legal pretexts they have cobbled together, some based on the "no standing" doctrine, as if this issue were a medical malpractice suit or an insurance claim. IOW, I have no right to know because I didn't run against the gay community organizer from Chicago myself?
Now this Cruz fellow is really doing us a favor, because as the redoubtable Carp points out, his case does not involve the facts of his origin. They are simple enough. He was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father. End of story. The question is, "Does the LAW say he's an American natural?"
Now if that ain't a question for the Supremes, I don't know what the hell could be. Win, lose, or draw, Cruz is doing us a real favor, unlike the Mombasa MF who has managed to throw the fog of mystery and confusion over every aspect of his deep, dark past.
What about Rubio? Neither of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. Does the LAW say he's eligible just because he was born in Florida? Both of the Gippo Jihadi MF Morsi's kids were born here. Does that mean THEY are eventually eligible to run for POTUS?
Come on Supremes! Shift your robèd rumps and figure out a way to give us some answers. Start small. Is the offspring of two aliens born here a citizen? Of two illegal aliens? What is a citizen anyway? Then the grand finale: "What is an Art. II "natural born Citizen?" This ain't about Obama, at least any more. It's about the Constitution of The United States. It's about the Republic.
Sam:
Using the common understanding of the founders (Madison, Jefferson, et. al), being born to 2 parents might satisfy NBC. To “Mad&Jeff”, birth on US soil would also be a requirement (Cletus agrees to the point of “service to the US” on foreign soil).
Senator Cruz was born on Canadian soil to ONE US citizen (his mother). His father, at the time of his birth was a Cuban national living in Canada.
If we rail against Obamaugabe’s citizenship, citing his Kenyan-national father, how do we justify our “dispensation” for Cruz simply because he agrees with conservative ideology?
“Amazing how the real issue oozes out of an article like this. Even WaPo can not keep it from leaking out.”
There are over 1,450 comments on the article so far bringing out a lot of “birther” claims that Barry is not NBC due to a foreign father and also including an early comment with a link to the MCCCP website and Zullo’s Posse video contesting the authenticity of the LFBC and HI birth narrative.
“Win, lose, or draw, Cruz is doing us a real favor, unlike the Mombasa MF who has managed to throw the fog of mystery and confusion over every aspect of his deep, dark past.”
After-birthers and Fogblowers doing a happy-dance over the recent seemingly credible claims that Barry’s WH LFBC pdf anomalies can be replicated on a Xerox WorkCentre copier have no explanation for all of the layers of plausible deniability legally constructed and aggressively litigated appearing to protect Barry from liability for forging his own BC!
I certainly hope so.
Well said, and I hope you’re right about Cruz’ intent being to bring the NBC/eligibility question to a head. Unfortunately, as time goes by, I become ever more cynical about the whole mess.
The globalists have decided that A2S1C5 is an impediment to their goals, and it is therefore being systematically neutered. Until the government once again fears the citizenry, rather than the other way around, we’ll continue down this road to complete subjugation and tyranny.
It’s enough to make eagles weep.
Yes, but by statutory law, not natural law.
Natural born citizens as are referred to in the US Constitution are citizens born with natural allegiance to a particular country, and none other.
Statutory citizens are creations of congress through the execution of their power to naturalize. They may have double or triple claims on their allegiance.
In a war, they could end up fighting on a different side, depending on what country they happen to be in when it breaks out.
This actually happened in wars between France and England.
This ain't about Obama, at least any more. It's about the Constitution of The United States. It's about the Republic.
Check out # 29.
Thanks, Kenny Bunk.
Thank you LucyT, can’t wait to see how this pans out!!
It was never about Obama. It was and is about the US Constitution and the US as a sovereign nation.
The author is merely teaching us what HIS defintion of an Obama birther is. The author would not call Leo Donofrio an Obama birther.
Cruz’s father was a foreigner too, Cuban citizen living in Canada when Cruz was born.
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