Posted on 08/06/2013 8:31:25 AM PDT by marktwain
Philip Rucker leads the Post today with a story about a study that claims there is a “vast” gun market thriving online that allows gun buyers to evade the background check system. Rucker’s story is full of misleading statements.
The marketplace for firearms on the Internet, where buyers are not required to undergo background checks, is so vast that advocates for stricter regulations now consider online sales a greater threat than the gun show loophole.
Misleading statement #1: Buyers are only not required to undergo background checks if they’re not buying from a licensed firearms dealer. If you buy online from a licensed dealer, you still have to undergo a background check.
Misleading statement #2: Advocates for stricter regulations are always looking for a new angle from which to chip away at the Second Amendment. They author studies that support their point of view, then act shocked! and demand more regulations. That’s how gun-control advocacy works.
A new study by Third Way , a centrist think tank with close ties to the Obama administration, found that thousands of guns, including so-called assault weapons, are for sale online and that many prospective buyers were shopping online specifically to avoid background checks.
Misleading statement #3: If the group has “close ties to the Obama administration,” it is not “centrist.”
(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...
The attack on "online sales" is more of a free speech issue than it is of the Second Amendment.
I feel safer knowing that there are millions of citizens with fire arms. Why are the government and their lapdog media so afraid?
Off topic question. I just bought my first pistol. I got it from a local gun store and it appears I paid $75 over what I’ve been reading the available price for the gun is. Where is the most economical place to buy handguns and rifles? I intend to get a revolver and a rifle (Mini 14) in the next 6 months.
I scavenge at pawn stores (look for cheap or deals), buy at gun stores (looking for a new or specific model) and custom order from the vendor (when I want a very particular config)
Sometimes, a dealer will offer a lower price if you order the gun from him. He does not need to carry it in inventory.
If you are not real familiar with guns, I would buy from a retail dealer so as to have the advantage of service and warranty.
Some of my best deals came from attending gun “turn in” events and offering cash, but you have to know what you are doing.
Law-abiding citizens should be trained in the proper use of firearms, and schools should commonly offer gun safety and marksmanship classes. We are all safer when more people own and responsibly use guns. Education is important. Even gun control advocates should appreciate that.
Gun ownership should be safe, legal, and common.
To clarify, a gun buyer can only avoid a background check if he buys a gun from a non-licensee IN HIS OWN STATE.
It is illegal to sell a gun to a resident of another state with it being transferred through a licensed dealer.
You can "buy" a firearm from a non-licensee in another state, either through contact on the internet or even such scary new technology as Shotgun News.
However, the seller cannot legally send the gun directly to you; it must be transferred through a licensed dealer in your state.
Excellent information
not surprised Wapo lied
but I have a question
yes this is true
“However, the seller cannot legally send the gun directly to you; it must be transferred through a licensed dealer in your state. “
but unless a private person can deliver the weapon or the buyer can go get it, IF even in state you have to ship don’t you have to ship it to a licensed dealer?
Check the dealer's warranty policy carefully. Many times if it is a special order, you are on your own as far as warranty goes. Very few of the high-volume, low price gun stores have an in-house gunsmith, so any problem has to go back to the factory. This can be a real issue if there is something simple wrong with the gun, like a bad magazine.
That $75 price difference can be misleading. If you buy a firearm from an online dealer, you must arrange for delivery through a licensed dealer near you. This is not generally a free service and they will charge you for receiving the gun and transferring it to you. There goes $25 to $50 of your $75.
Hopefully the new ownership will reduce the number of headlines starting with “WaPo Misleads”...
No, you are allowed to send a gun to a resident of your own state. All the Fed law refers to is "transfer" of exclusive physical control/possession of the gun. How that is effected, either face to face or delivery, is irrelevant.
Keep in mind, though, that shippers have specific rules. The USPS only allows shipping of handguns, or other "concealable" firearms, to licensed dealers.
So, if you sold a handgun to a resident of your state, maybe on a hometown forum on a gun website, and couldn't delievr it face to face, you'd have to use UPS, Fedex, or other common carrier.
ah
thanks for the info
This from UPS site is confusing and makes it look like UPS won’t ship it to a private person
from site
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Shipping Firearms
Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms
Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment
UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) for transportation only (a) between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code), and government agencies and (b) where not otherwise prohibited by federal, state or local law (i) from an individual to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector; and (ii) from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to an individual. The shipper must comply with and must ensure that each shipment complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package.
Yes, the licensed dealer in your state has to take delivery, you must also pass the background check and pay a frinkin' transfer fee to the dealer in your state who actually did nothing. In CA you must go through this rigamarole when simply buying from a resident private owner.
Exactly. JUST went through this.
But doing so does not violate any law.
Of course, that should be:
It is illegal to sell a gun to a resident of another state withOUT it being transferred through a licensed dealer.
Yikes.
I would like to think the author jumped to a wrong conclusion on something he didn’t know anything about and then expounded on it. This is very possibly worse than bad journalism but an outright lie meant to sway and incite the uninformed.
When buying on line, regardless from whom you buy, if the gun is shipped, it must be transfered by a licensed dealer. If you make a deal on line then make the transfer face to face, a dealer usually is not required to execute the transaction. NO VIRGINIA, you don’t just go online and buy a gun.
Open http://wwww.armslist.com Put in your state and you’ll see what’s available from local people.
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