Posted on 07/29/2013 5:33:38 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Pope Francis reached out to gays on Monday, saying he wouldn't judge priests for their sexual orientation in a remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his first foreign trip...
"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis asked.
His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests. Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.
Francis' remarks came Monday during a plane journey back to the Vatican from his first foreign trip in Brazil.
He was funny and candid during a news conference that lasted almost an hour and a half. He didn't dodge a single question, even thanking the journalist who raised allegations reported by an Italian newsmagazine that one of his trusted monsignors was involved in a scandalous gay tryst.
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“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?” the pope said.”
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Apparently. Can't say for sure, as that would be mind-reading.
I wonder if these folks have ever stopped to consider that their ignorant rants really serve only to discredit their belief systems?
These priests find careers in the seminaries, the Catholic colleges and the administrative positions more than as pastors and parish priests.
The vast majority of people who make the Catholic Church in America work are strongly opposed the this network. The people who financially support the parishes, who volunteer their time and talents and who teach young people the eternal values of faith and spirituality want no part of this homosexual network and strongly reject it and all that it encompasses.
This to me is the real Catholic Church. The teaching of Jesus Christ, the example of the apostles and the saints and the everyday people who sacrifice so much to make it work.
I pray the homosexuals and all the evil they do will be removed from the Church.
You've been had.
Sometimes we can get away with a knee jerk response. Other times, we can't. Read the thread, then get back with that "capitulation" nonsense you post.
“He was responding to reports that a trusted aide was involved in an alleged gay tryst a decade ago.
He said he investigated the allegations according to canon law and found nothing to back them up.”
This is disturbing...
It is a mantra said over and over again when Priests have been accused of child molesting....only to find out years later they were avid abusers.
One UK Cardinal even yammered against gays..while being a child molester himself.
All aberrant behavior is for us to judge. If we can’t judge behavior then we can’t avoid sin. The state of anyone’s soul is for God to decide.
Which is absolutely meaningless unless it is followed and enforced.
I know, right?
Yet this thread will reach about 250 and 85% will be ignorant and the prophecies will abound. So many have heard eople say things so theyust be true
What the Church ACTUALLY says does not bear any weight with this type of thinker
And if Rummychick chimes in, all bets are off
Pope Francis has said gay people should not be judged or marginalised.
'Gay' people ... not their sinful actions.
"If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?"
Merely saying that he'll leave the judgment of the person to God.
"The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well," Pope Francis said ... "It says they should not be marginalised because of this but that they must be integrated into society."
But he condemned what he described as lobbying by gay people.
"The problem is not having this orientation," he said. "We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem."
That the pope would use the word “gay” in a sentence to refer to homosexuals is proof positive that he has capitulated. Every thing else he said is confirmation.
That’s how they added saint hailing and rosary prayers, things that didn’t exist at the biblical church stage. Rome is looked to in order to set the doctrinal tone, that’s just the nature of that worship community. If Rome gets things bad wrong, then all following Rome will get it bad wrong too. Now this might be a tempest in a teapot, but please my fellow Christians (whether in the Roman Catholic part of Christendom or elsewhere) don’t capitulate on language and call these grim buggerers gay. They are not. It does them no favor or mercy to buy into the devil’s sugar coating.
Being chaste as nothing to do with sexual orientation. It is about not indulging in sinful sexual activities be they "hetero-" or "homo-" sexual.
But since homosexual attraction indicates a disordered mental state (despite what current psychological opinion says), those with such proclivities have a harder time suppressing them than they do normal sexual urges.
The big mistake the RCC made was to puting credence in the psychologists position and accepting the "if they're celibate, what difference does it make" notion(s) instead of sticking to seminary policies and practices that had worked for hundreds of years.
Indications are that they have learned from their very serious mistakes and are re-introducing such policies as fast as internal "politics" will allow them to. The re-introduction is hampered by the fact that some homosexuals have reached positions in the heirachy (i.e. bishops--often not known to be queer) are stalling the efforts.
"How does someone even find OUT what a priest's sexual orientation IS ?Uhhh .. s'cuse me father .. d'ya like girls .. or boys?"
Pretty much, yes. These kinds of discernment questions "used" to be part of all RCC seminary programs, and if the answer was "boys"........!poof! Bye-bye.
Those who seek the truth will find it, and will realize that the leftist press is again posting distortions and half-truths. Those who seek falsehood will will continue to repeat the distortions and half-truths of the leftist press.
And this thread will become a sewer.
'nuff said.
He stumbled if that quote is accurate, I’d agree. (If the speech was delivered in Latin, and we got a translation then there might be no term that translates “gay” vs. “homosexual.”) I hope if he did it, he stops. Otherwise he’s keeping open a foothold for evil.
Scripture is clear on the role of women in the church that they should not have authority over men.
It is not popular these days to oppose women clergy but it is in opposition to clear Biblical teaching.
I have no problem with women teaching other women, or with women who are technically *ordained* for the purpose of doing visitation in hospitals where visitors have often been restricted to clergy.
It’s the Catholic way. They promulgate a doctrine, but it is so convoluted that no one knows what the heck it means. So they kill a forest worth of trees trying to explain what it is they mean. By the time it is done they forgot what it was they were talking about in the first place.
He can’t read????
I would love to know what language the Pope spoke in and how his comments were translated. I doubt that the word(s) he used for ‘gay’ was a direct translation to the English vernacular usage of it.
Yes there is such a false prophecy and it is not recognized by the Church.
If you think or believe, or, like a libral, feel, that the Church is not bombarded with false prophets nor knows just what to do with them, then you don’t know scripture
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