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Why evolutionary materialism leads to the unreality of your existence
Renew America ^ | July 27, 2013 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 07/28/2013 3:57:08 PM PDT by spirited irish

American Christian author Dr. Frank Turek notes that Cambridge-trained Ph.D. Stephen Meyer's New York Times best-seller, "Darwin's Doubt," is creating a major scientific controversy. Because Darwinists absolutely hate it, Meyer's well-reasoned argument that an intelligent designer is the best explanation for the evidence at hand elicits irrational accusations that Meyers is anti-scientific and guilty of endangering sexual freedom everywhere. (Darwin's Doubt, Turek, Townhall.com, July 09, 2013)

Meyer writes,

"Neo-Darwinism and the theory of intelligent design are not two different kinds of inquiry, as some critics have asserted. They are two different answers – formulated using a similar logic and method of reasoning – to the same question: 'What caused biological forms and the appearance of design in the history of life?'" (ibid.)

The real issue here is not "anti-scientific" intelligent design or for that matter, the Genesis account of creation ex nihilo ("special creation" as evolutionary materialists call it) versus "scientifically enlightened reason and science," but about creation account vs. anti-creation account (Darwinian materialism).

The reason Darwinists on one hand, and intelligent design and Genesis account proponents on the other, arrive at radically different answers is because Darwinists are neo-pagan materialists and the other two are not.

While intelligent design proponents are open to intelligent causes (just like crime scene investigators are), Genesis account creationists hold that our Creator, the living, personal Triune God, the Divine Source of life who exists outside of the space/time dimension is Jesus Christ, the angel who spoke with Moses at Sinai.

Foremost of His miracles is creation out of nothing – six days of creation rather than the billions of years of evolutionary process out of already existing or spontaneously generated matter:

"The first moment of time is the moment of God's creative act and of creation's simultaneous coming to be." (Philosopher and New Testament scholar William Lane Craig, quoted in "If God created the universe, then who created God?' by Jonathan Sarfati, Creation Ministries International)

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:27)

As all men are the spiritual image-bearers of the Triune God, it logically follows that each male and female is a trinity of being – of soul, spirit, and body:

"The essence of the human is not the body, but the soul. It is the soul alone that God made in his own image and the soul that he loves....For the sake of the soul...the Son of God came into the world...." (Incomplete Work on Matthew, Homily 25, Ancient Christian Devotional, Oden and Crosby, p. 153)

For fifteen hundred years, Christendom and then later Protestant America had followed St. Augustine (AD 354-430) in affirming that all men are three part spiritual image-bearers of the transcendent Triune God (Gen. 1:27). This unique view of man was affirmed by the brilliant French economist, statesman, and author Frederic Bastiat. Man as God's spiritual image-bearer is the precious gift from God, which includes the physical, intellectual, and moral life:

"He has provided us with a collection of marvelous faculties. And He has put us in the midst of a variety of natural resources. By application of our faculties to these natural resources we convert them into products, and use them. Life, faculties, production – in other words, individuality, liberty, property – this is man (and) these three gifts from God precede all human legislation, and are superior to it. Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place." (Bastiat, "How Evil Works," David Kupelian, p. 8)

Vishal Mangalwadi, India's foremost Christian scholar, writes that this unique concept of man as God's spiritual image-bearer gave birth to the "belief in the unique dignity of human beings," and this is

"...the force that created Western civilization, where citizens do not exist for the state but the state exists for the individuals. Even kings, presidents, prime ministers, and army generals cannot be allowed to trample upon an individual and his or her rights." (Truth and Transformation: A Manifesto for Ailing Nations, pp. 12-13)

Neo-pagan, anti-human God-haters

Darwinian materialists are anti-Triune God:

"The irony is devastating. The main purpose of Darwinism was to drive every last trace of an incredible God from biology. But the theory replaces God with an even more incredible deity – omnipotent chance...." (T. Rosazak, Unfinished Animal, pp. 101-102, 1975)

They hate the very thought of Him as their Father and seek escape to a nowhere land, an impersonal, collective communal unconscious where man as God's spiritual image-bearer, immutable truth, order, moral law, sexual ethics, authority, hell, heaven, angels, demons, meaning, and purpose do not exist. For these reasons and others, such as Original Sin and the two created sexes, they fiercely reject intelligent design but viciously hate creation ex nihilo, and choose rather to embrace evolutionary and materialist conceptions. The truth of this can be seen in the following quotes:

"The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to themselves. The voluntary...reasons for holding doctrines of materialism...may be predominantly erotic, as they were in the case of Lamettrie...or predominantly political as they were in the case of Karl Marx." (Aldous Huxley, "Ends and Means," p. 315, from Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control, E. Michael Jones, p. 27)

"...one belief that all true original Darwinians held in common, and that was their rejection of creationism, their rejection of special creation. This was the flag around which they assembled and under which they marched.... The conviction that the diversity of the natural world was the result of natural processes and not the work of God was the idea that brought all the so-called Darwinians together in spite of their disagreements on other of Darwin's theories." (One Long Argument, 1991, p. 99, Ernst Mayr (d. 2005), Professor of Zoology at Harvard University)

"We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." ("Billions and Billions of Demons," Richard Lewontin, PhD Zoology, Alexander Agassiz Research Professor at Harvard University)

Metaphysical nihilism: everything and nothing

Metaphysical nihilism (all that exists is matter and energy) is the metaphysics of both physical materialism and nonphysical materialist conceptions.

What chiefly separates these two is whether matter is physical or nonphysical. If physical, then the Triune God, heaven, hell, soul/spirit, angels, and demons do not exist. But if nonphysical, then for example, spirits, ghosts, divine sparks, Transcended Masters, intra-cosmic deities, Orobouros, astral planes, divine impersonal mind, and Christ consciousness exist but the material world is an illusion.

Brooks Alexander, the founder of The Spiritual Counterfeits Project (SCP), an evangelical ministry and think-tank in Berkeley, California, identifies both physical and nonphysical materialist conceptions as the two sides of pagan monism. Because they are from the same root, they tend to cross-pollinate and mingle,

"...producing a brood of offspring that exhibits the genetic heritage of its parents in a confused and confusing array. Soon it becomes impossible to say whether a given movement, trend or school of thought is a secular impulse that has absorbed Eastern/occult values, or an Eastern/occult teaching that has dressed itself in secular language." (The Rise of Cosmic Humanism: What is Religion?" Brooks Alexander, SCP Journal, 1981-82, p. 2)

In other words, for many years secular-human physicalists have been quietly crossing over into spiritual or cosmic conceptions of matter and embracing for example, Zen Buddhism and Teilhards idea, which leapfrogs off of Darwin's theory.

The apostate French Jesuit priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955) taught that an impersonal god-force emerges from spontaneously generated matter. According to Teilhard, this evolution of a god-force results in evolution becoming "conscious of itself" and ultimately, in the transformation of all physical matter into nonphysical divine matter defined by Teilhard as "Christ consciousness" or "pure spirit." Teilhard called this final stage of evolution the "Omega Point" and "the cosmic Christ."

You can be as God

The perennially persuasive Big Lie underlies both physical and nonphysical conceptions. This thought is expressed openly in the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Dr. Beverly Galyean, leading exponent of occult Luciferian New Age confluent education:

"The Buddhists and the Jains do not depend on God; but the whole force of their religion is directed to the great central truth in every religion: to evolve a God out of man." (Inspired Talks, Ramakrishna Vivekananda Center, 1958, p. 218)

"Once we begin to see that we are all God, that we have the attributes of God, then, I think the whole purpose of human life is to reown the Godlikeness within us...So my whole view is very much based on that idea." (Galyean quoted by Francis Adeney, Educators Look East, Radix 12, No. 3, Nov-Dec. 1980, p. 21)

This same idea expressed in secular terms such as self-realization and self-actualization (a term coined by Abraham Maslow) underlies many contemporary psychotherapies.

Nihilism: You are of nothing

"Behold, you are of nothing, and your work of that which hath no being: he that hath chosen you is an abomination." Isaiah 41:24

Though evolutionary materialists congratulate themselves for being scientifically enlightened, cutting edge 'elite' free thinkers, the truth is otherwise, meaning that materialists, whether of the secular physical or occult spiritual school are miserable self-deceived nihilists for whom there is neither source for "self" (conscious life, psyche, individual mind) nor for meaning and purpose in life. They are "of nothing" and the unreality of their own existence is the devastating price they have paid the devil, the father of death and nihilism, for "saving" them from the living God.

The misery inducing "salvation" of "nonself" is not something new but something ancient. It began with Buddha who craved God-like power to deconstruct and reinterpret the soul. Taking power not only requires the murder of God but the teaching of lies.

Jesus to Buddha,

"....you took God away from them (and) your espousal of an absence of self is the most unique and fearsome claim you made...You turned from Hinduism because it said there was an essential self, which they called the atman." (The Lotus and the Cross: Jesus Talks with Buddha, Ravi Zacharias, pp.59, 67)

Six centuries before Jesus Christ, the Buddha already knew that if all that exists is matter then the human self cannot exist either:

"Therefore, he deconstructed the Hindu idea of the soul. When one starts peeling the onion skin of one's psyche, he discovers that there is no solid core at the center of one's being. Your sense of self is an illusion. Reality is nonself (anatman). You don't exist. Liberation, the Buddha taught, is realizing the unreality of your existence." (The Book That Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization, Vishal Mangalwadi, p. 6)

If all that exists is matter and energies working on and through matter, then it logically follows that there is no source for life, conscious life (soul, spirit and will), the two sexes, human dignity and worth, or for unalienable constitutional rights beginning with the right to life, liberty, and property. Without the Triune God, meaning drains into meaninglessness and man is reduced to less than nothing, a conclusion Buddha reached long before Marxist Communists attempted to scientifically re-engineer human beings after the fashion of metaphysical nihilism.

"Thought crime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for awhile....but sooner or later they were bound to get you." George Orwell, 1984

After seizing control of Russia, Marxist materialists utilized propaganda of the lie, re-education with major emphasis on Darwinism, revision of history, and other confusion-inducing, mind-and-thought-control techniques in connection with brain-altering drugs, electro-shock therapy, terror, and other brutal measures to

"...liquidate all expressions of individual identity in favor of an impersonal collective, communal consciousness." (The Book that Made Your World, Vishal Mangalwadi, p. 74)

Following in Buddha's footsteps, Western and American evolutionary materialists took our Creator away and replaced Him with nihilist Darwinian materialism. Then they conceptually reduced His spiritual image-bearers to less than nothing, taught monstrous lies as scientific fact, morally corrupted Westerners and Americans, and brutally ridiculed and demonized anyone who dared speak truth to their lies. By these means they set Western and American civilization adrift in infinite nothingness.

Nihilism is spiritual, moral, intellectual, and cultural suicide. It is the devil's inferno here on earth, the void of everything and nothing in which death is life, evil is good, lie is truth, up is down, male is female, female is male, rolling in filth is good clean fun, bad is good but evil better, and the father of nihilism is god.

Choose eternal blessing and not cursing

The unreality of "self" is a waking nightmare fueled by horrors of conscience, obsession with death, and hellish terrors of mind that make suicide, murder, abortion, euthanasia, and genocide into virtues.

"...I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing, therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life...." Deuteronomy 30:19-20

"Thou hast brought forth, O Lord, my soul from hell: thou hast saved me from them that go down into the pit." Psalm 30:3

The Second Person of the Holy Trinity, the Living Word become Flesh, Jesus Christ the Physician, came to heal the spiritually sick and dying, to save their immortal souls. Just as we are on the verge of going down into the pit, ready to depart to the unseen world, if we will repent and turn back to Him, then by His providence and grace our Lord will revive our souls and deliver us from those accursed horrors of conscience and ghastly terrors of mind which by reason of our sin are as hell searing itself into and possessing our very minds. (Psalm 116:3)

But whoever rejects the Physician, the Divine Source of life and soul, rejects His prescription, thereby destroys him or herself. So we ought to turn back to Him right now, before it is too late.


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: darwinism; evolution; materialism; nihilism
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
This is really getting exciting! I'm well along in breaking my "Whence Anisotropy?" image into timewise steps -- and I'm finding that I can include "interim steps" that I had to "cover over" to get it all into a single image. (...a basic 4-D problem...)

The vector power of "Canvas" is really coming into play: instead of creating a new image for each "progressive build view", all I have to do is to copy over (from the static graphic) to that new "layer", say, an oval and some text and reference lines...

I'm already at "photon release" -- which I show as ISOtropic (as we assumed it to be before we recorded the CMB). (...one of those hidden interim steps...)

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Can you imagine the impact of showing "photon release" -- and, then, revealing,

"And God said..."?

The question of, How did that bronze-age, goat-milking bedouin (~4,000 years ago) know to write that?" 'slaps you right upside the head'!!!

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I can already see that adding the time-build sequencing is going to enrich the presentation tremendously -- including the opportunity to "project" the CMB image back to "light time" (where we actually see it) -- and to fill our "now" time with galaxies!

It's already beginning to take shape as I conceived it in "my 4-D haid...!"

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Are we having fun, yet? '-)

201 posted on 08/08/2013 8:45:23 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA
How exciting! I'm very much looking forward to your presentation.

Praise God!!!

202 posted on 08/08/2013 9:00:24 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TXnMA

LOLOL!


203 posted on 08/08/2013 9:00:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; MHGinTN
Just went back and re-read your #189 carefully. It is really good!

It points out several prevalent attitudes that block many folks from seeing the truth...

Nicely done!

204 posted on 08/09/2013 5:23:20 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA

Gee, thanks.

From the guy (I presume) who made that awesome graphic, I take that as a real compliment.


205 posted on 08/09/2013 5:33:50 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: TXnMA

You know, that gives me a good idea for the next time I get in a conversation with one of the religion sneering types. After all, I do know enough about physics and prevailing theories of the formation of the universe to engage them.

Thanks to having two kids in the family who are physics majors. And also strong, solid Christians.


206 posted on 08/09/2013 5:36:30 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: albionin; betty boop
We are not omniscient. It is true that science can’t answer every question right now. No one can look into the future and say what knowledge science will uncover, but we can say that if we are to have any answers to these questions then science is the only way we will get them. There is no other tool at our disposal.

If you don't mind me interjecting here, the presuppositions undergirding your statements here, notwithstanding the internal inconsistency of the statements themselves, are the best rational argument for God.

Regarding the inconsistencies of your statements, first, since you are not omniscient then how do you know for certain that 'there is no other tool at our disposal" other than 'science'? Have you looked everywhere? How could you since you're not omniscient?

Second, your statements themselves are not statements of science, they are philosophical statements about science, which renders them self-refuting.

You presuppose and acknowledge the existence of things such as reason and logic, the inductive principle, etc upon which science itself depends. (I can tell that because you don't want' us "attacking reason and logic".) Yet everything you have have stated and all of your argumentation assumes the inductive principle and the uniformity of nature, for which you have given no rational foundation, and which is contrary to the atheist view of the universe.

That's why your own presuppositions are the best proof of the existence of God; namely, that the internal inconsistencies inherent in your own argumentation demonstrates the impossibility of the contrary.

Cordially,

207 posted on 08/09/2013 7:06:12 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: TXnMA
We are indeed having fun ... yet ...

BTW, I've found it 'useful' to conceptualize dimension Time as a volume, an expanding volume. Within the volume are temporal expressions of moment, past (linear), and present (planar). Photons 'live in the moment'. The human soul lives in the present, processing past events to create a virtual past to present experience. The human spirit ... well, I'll leave that for another interruption.

208 posted on 08/09/2013 7:31:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Diamond

Well said, dear Diamond!


209 posted on 08/09/2013 9:08:56 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Diamond

Nicely done! ‘-)


210 posted on 08/09/2013 1:39:40 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
"BTW, I've found it 'useful' to conceptualize dimension Time as a volume, an expanding volume."

That (volumetrically) is how I mentally depict time. However, since I'm confined to a 2-D medium and, at present, am most interested in depicting a sequence of universal events, I have chosen to use my 2-D representation of what I call "'Universal Now' slices"'.

"Universal Now" is a concept that A-G & bb and I have been discussing (and I've strived to illustrate) off-and on for a while now. The ability to actually view and experience true "Universal Now" instants is strictly limited to beings with attributes that only God possesses: God is..

At any instant, (present, future or past) only He can see (and examine in situ) the real-time state of every object in His universe.

We, OTOH, are firmly bound by the speed of light and distance. Realistically, we have only had observational ability to view the actual states of celestial objects for a hundred years or so. That means our actual knowledge is confined to a hundred light-year spherical radius. For all we know, everything beyond that radius has changed to strawberry jam... '-)

I simulate such by depicting universal time as a tubular volume, expanding as it progress, with time progression along its central axis, and with "Universal Now" events depicted as universe-spanning slices across the tube.

Now that I have "time-order animated" the image in #182 by building a progression of "slices", I find the result to be satisfying -- considering it is limited to a 2D-1T depiction...

FWIW, I have already progressed beyond the scope of the static image to include HST observations, and am now trying to figure out how to incorporate SDSS "macro-structural data"...

Well, enough "explainifying"! Back to work trying to figure how to output vector objects, etc., from Canvas X to a medium (PowerPoint or video movie) that "the rest of the world" can view on their computers. [Methinks I see a lot of individual image-rendering time in my future...] :-(

211 posted on 08/09/2013 2:41:15 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Diamond; albionin; Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; MHGinTN; metmom; hosepipe; marron; ...
Regarding the inconsistencies of your statements, first, since you are not omniscient then how do you know for certain that 'there is no other tool at our disposal" other than 'science'? Have you looked everywhere? How could you since you're not omniscient?... Second, your statements themselves are not statements of science, they are philosophical statements about science, which renders them self-refuting.

Great observations, dear Diamond! Thank you ever so much for "interjecting here."

Our friend albionin wants "proof" of the existence of God. So I offered not one, but Five Proofs constructed by the great saint and doctor Thomas Aquinas. All are logical proofs. I gather this is not the sort of "proof" our friend is seeking — for he avers that only by means of the scientific method can reliable information about our world be obtained.

Instantly, I'm saying to myself — Jeepers, I had never thought the scientific method was in the "proof" business; I thought it was in the "falsification" business. Its great shortcoming (to me) is that it is only generally applicable to isolatable quantities that are directly observable by human beings.

And yet, to this day, the quark has never been isolated or measured — that is, "observed." Does this mean that our friend doesn't "believe" that quarks exist — which these days are universally recognized by physical scientists as the underlying constituents of nucleons? Since quarks themselves are non-observables, their existence has to be inferred from the "observational picture" that is accessible by human observers.

Kind of reminds me of a situation that I regard as directly analogous:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: — Romans 1:20

IOW, we (or I anyway) infer the existence of the "invisible" God because the visible world that I observe is the way it is, and not some other way. That it exists at all needs an explanation....

This is the same logic that tells me something called quarks must exist, because there are protons and neutrons.

Thank you for your outstanding essay/post, Diamond! It's always such a pleasure to hear from you!

212 posted on 08/09/2013 4:07:27 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop
And yet, to this day, the quark has never been isolated or measured — that is, "observed." Does this mean that our friend doesn't "believe" that quarks exist — which these days are universally recognized by physical scientists as the underlying constituents of nucleons? Since quarks themselves are non-observables, their existence has to be inferred from the "observational picture" that is accessible by human observers.
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Ms. Boop.... I aver that Quark HAS been observed although not quantified..

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213 posted on 08/09/2013 5:52:29 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
I ask you dear friend: What would it be like to live in a culture subject to these forty rules?

On second thought, we may already be living in a culture like that.

Somehow or other, I am not laughing.

Despite the fact that you told a "good joke." HUGS!!!

214 posted on 08/09/2013 7:27:31 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: TXnMA; MHGinTN; betty boop
Thank you so very much for all of your insights, dear brother in Christ!

I believe the Universal Now slices are quite revealing just as they are. And to present them step by step would be very illuminating!

In my view, addressing a second dimension of time in the graphic would entail either compressing the entire graphic into a single image (in the Tegmark metaphor of frog and bird, the bird sees the movie a frame at a time but the bird sees it all at once) - or alternatively, as a hyper-space (a five-space that rotates the forward frame, the observer perspective.)

Both I think would be difficult for the reader and therefore would prefer to see MHGinTN address volumetric time in a separate graphic not tied to your Science/Scripture graphic which is best understood sequentially as it is written both in Scripture and in the CMB or observed history of the universe.

215 posted on 08/09/2013 8:04:35 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Instantly, I'm saying to myself — Jeepers, I had never thought the scientific method was in the "proof" business; I thought it was in the "falsification" business. Its great shortcoming (to me) is that it is only generally applicable to isolatable quantities that are directly observable by human beings.

So very true, dearest sister in Christ!

And of course I strongly agree with you: " infer the existence of the "invisible" God because the visible world that I observe is the way it is, and not some other way. That it exists at all needs an explanation...."

God's Name is I AM.

216 posted on 08/09/2013 8:09:11 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I have zero intention of changing the graphics / presentation's use of "the unidimensional arrow of time". After all, I want it to be instinctively comprehensible to the average scientist -- or Bible reader...

I'll also include "bookend" intro and conclusion text slides.

One conclusion is forming up something like: "Both the scientific and Scriptural view points are complimentary and valid. The only conflicts come when oversized (and unjustified) egoes or limited intellects create false dichotomies and champion one viewpoint and exclude the other."

Well, that's how I sees it; most likely, I won't state it quite as harshly... '-)

I'd best go bed down -- the snarks are starting to poke their noses out...

217 posted on 08/09/2013 9:55:32 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA
I'm very glad you're not changing the perspective - and that you'll be pointing out that both are complimentary!

Sleep well!

218 posted on 08/09/2013 10:06:52 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
"(in the Tegmark metaphor of frog and bird, the bird sees the movie a frame at a time but the bird sees it all at once)"

Confused, I is... '-)

("I AM" is already in use by One I ain't arguing with.)

219 posted on 08/10/2013 8:24:51 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: betty boop

OK try this one...

A guy is walking along a Florida beach when he comes across a lamp partially buried in the sand.

He picks up the lamp and gives it a rub. A genie appears and tells him he has been granted one wish.

The guy thinks for a moment and says, “I want to live forever.”

“Sorry,” said the genie, “I’m not allowed to grant eternal life.”

“OK, then, I want to die after the Democrats balance the budget and eliminate the debt.

“You crafty little bastard,” said the genie.


220 posted on 08/10/2013 12:23:58 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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