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Was Trayvon Martin Rear-Ended by Zimmerman? Z was intoxicated with own agenda and ambition
EURWeb ^ | July 9, 2013 | Larry Buford

Posted on 07/09/2013 11:46:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

*On Monday (7/8) the defense attorneys in the George Zimmerman trial brought forth testimony from a parade of witnesses who vouched that the screams for help on the 911 tapes were those of Zimmerman and not Trayvon Martin.

Legal analysts called it a victory for the defense, claiming the testimony of Trayvon’s father Tracy Martin was weak and contradictory. However, the father did raise one simple question that seems to be largely overlooked – why did Zimmerman leave his car in the first place to go after his son?

It would seem the prosecution’s best strategy would have been to camp on the 911 call where the dispatchers clearly instructed Zimmerman not to pursue Trayvon stating “We don’t need you to do that.” What was the timeline from that directive to the fatal shot? Zimmerman’s claim that he was looking for the name of the street location is weak. For someone who has lived on that complex for three years – to be as diligent and concerned a watchman as he portrays – and not know the location he was patrolling is incredible. Reportedly, there are only three street names throughout the entire complex.

To claim that he could not gather his thoughts through all the excitement and adrenaline flowing doesn’t add up as police and other witnesses reported that they found him to be too calm and collected for someone who had just shot another human being.

So it appears the prosecution should have focused on Zimmerman’s neglecting to follow the instruction of law enforcement professionals – that’s the cut bank where the defense would erode.

The Florida Supreme Court defines negligence as follows:

“Negligence is the failure to use reasonable care. Reasonable care is that degree of care which a reasonably careful person would use under like circumstances. Negligence may consist either in doing something that a reasonably careful person would not do under like circumstances or in failing to do something that a reasonably careful person would do under like circumstances.” (Florida Standard Jury Instructions, 4.1).

Zimmerman’s case should be likened to a drunk driver who rear-ended another vehicle resulting in loss of life. Zimmerman was intoxicated with his own agenda and ambition, plain and simple. The trial should be focused on the initial impact – that is how Trayvon was impacted once he realized he was being followed by someone who did not identify himself as he should have.

By the way, in identifying who in fact is screaming “help” on the 911 tape, I’m reminded of a story I once heard where upon viewing her dead husband’s body a woman thought it did not resemble him and complained to the funeral director, “That’s not my husband” to which the director replied “How do you know…you’ve never seen him dead before!” So I ask, how can anyone be sure of who is in fact screaming on the tape when they’ve never heard what the person in desperation may sound like in the face of death?


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KEYWORDS: asscracker; florida; lousyliberals; stretch; tracymartin; trayvon; zimmerman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

re: So it appears the prosecution should have focused on Zimmerman’s neglecting to follow the instruction of law enforcement professionals

I don’t intend to minimize the job of 911 dispatchers and call takers, but are they considered “law enforcement professionals”? I don’t think so. The standard requirements are a high school diploma or equivalent and some on the job training, according to http://www.bls.gov/ooh/office-and-administrative-support/police-fire-and-ambulance-dispatchers.htm. Some states require certification. I am still not sure that having a certificate qualifies a dispatcher to claim that they are a law enforcement professional.


41 posted on 07/09/2013 12:24:19 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: peeps36

We have come to the absurd state where blacks are murdered by other blacks by the dozen in many large cities yet it barely gets a mention on the evening news. But let one white person shoot one black person and suddenly you have an epidemic and would think that the KKK rules the streets.


42 posted on 07/09/2013 12:26:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: rarestia

That is very wrong, and from what I know, Zimmerman’s first words to the neighbor were something akin to “Just call the police”.


43 posted on 07/09/2013 12:27:00 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fact remains that Trayvon chose to enter the ground near Zimmerman that his advocates claim he was defending. Someone not looking for trouble would have simply gone home. There is a price to be paid for the militance promoted in the black and gangland culture. Usually it is innocent victims who pay that price, but in this case, Trayvon paid it. As the militance escalates, more and more young black men will pay for it with their lives, on the streets and in our prisons.


44 posted on 07/09/2013 12:27:45 PM PDT by pallis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” why did Zimmerman leave his car in the first place to go after his son?”

To keep him observation so he could point out his location when the police arrived. Try to keep up.

Nor was Trayvon fleeing in terror with Zim trying to run him down as the left portrays it.

From the transcrips with the police dispatcher:

Zim,”Now he is just staring at me”

Zim, “Yeah, Now he is coming towards me”

Zim, He has got his hand in his waistband and he is coming to check me out.

This shows that Trayvon was not intimidated at all by Zim observing him. On the contrary, he was trying to intimidate and stare down Zim and only ran away when he realized that Zim was talking on his phone probably calling the police and Trayvon was probably carrying reefer.

Nor did Zim try to run him down as he was carrying on an extended conversation with the dispatcher after Trayvon took off.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Considering that T was taller with a longer stride, played HS football, and Zim was on the phone with the dispatcher as he followed him, it is absurd to think Zim could have run him down.

Trayvon made it hid dads apt, stashed his weed and returned to attack the “Creepy Ass Cracker” who had disrespected him.


45 posted on 07/09/2013 12:27:54 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: KC_Conspirator

Excuse me? What is very wrong? Are you going to offer up some sort of explanation for your response? I don’t take lightly to being called a liar if that’s what you’re insinuating.


46 posted on 07/09/2013 12:32:19 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two Americas, now. A house divided against itself cannot stand....


47 posted on 07/09/2013 12:33:17 PM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: Uncle Lonny

The author is warning it is wise not to enter a lion’s den when the lion is hungry. Think aboout it....


48 posted on 07/09/2013 12:33:44 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: ozzymandus

It is getting so sick that we could say they aren’t even trying to defend the criminals, just exploit the crimes as a means to inflame racist reactions. If the racist components are not there, Jesse jackasson and alice sharptoon would not even be in front of the treacherous media cameras! The obvious agenda to inflame race tension is becoming so obvious even black people are sick of it!


49 posted on 07/09/2013 12:33:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If one wants to understand the pathology that infects virtually every innercity in America one need not look further than the lack of intellectual rigor in this article. If you want to know why Detroit is bankrupt, if you want to know why Chicago has become a slaughterhouse, if you want to know why 96% of African-Americans voted for Barack Obama and consistently vote for Democrats, here is your answer in microcosm.

The argumentation in the article is beyond amateurish, it is absurd. A whole section of American society lives in a dream world in which book learning is demeaned, logic is disregarded, science and the scientific method are unknown.


50 posted on 07/09/2013 12:34:31 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: rarestia

Calm down, quite the opposite, I am affirming your words “WRONG! VERY WRONG!...” in reference to this silly author’s foolish and “wrong” assumptions.


51 posted on 07/09/2013 12:35:19 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
a) street name
b) number on the nearest house

This was actually mentioned by GZ in the video walkthrough. He said that they were walking behind the houses, and there are no numbers there. (And indeed there weren't any, as anyone could see in the video.) GZ had to go to the nearest street - which was 50 yards away at most - to get to a street-facing wall and see the number.

The writer also says this:

why did Zimmerman leave his car in the first place to go after his son?

GZ was a free man at that time, and he could leave his car anywhere he pleases, and go anywhere he wants - as long as it is not otherwise illegal. There is nothing illegal about him walking on sidewalk behind houses. It was also perfectly legal for TM, by the way.

But was it wise? That's a different question, not unlike "is it wise to go to Normandy in 1944 to fight Nazis?" Of course it isn't wise, if you know what is good for you. It is patently unwise to go to war, to work as a police officer or a firefighter, to be a taxi driver, or even a thug... it is unwise to do anything that does not guarantee your safety. Still, people do unwise things because they have to. If a soldier doesn't fight the enemy, the enemy comes and kills him at home. If a police officer does not arrest the killer, the killer will eventually kill everyone in town. GZ was protecting his home because he wanted to do good. As we know, no good deed goes unpunished.

52 posted on 07/09/2013 12:37:56 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Riots are Comming!!!!

53 posted on 07/09/2013 12:39:52 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To prove guilt, the prosecution has to prove that it was NOT Zimmerman. The defense does not have to prove either way.


54 posted on 07/09/2013 12:44:00 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For someone who has lived on that complex for three years – to be as diligent and concerned a watchman as he portrays – and not know the location he was patrolling is incredi...”

I have lived in our neighborhood for 8 years, and I can’t recall any of the (stupid) street names near by we have.....sunflower., morning glory......?????

(who thinks of these names anyway.........??????)
(sarc)


55 posted on 07/09/2013 12:46:43 PM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: nathanbedford

Ah’ comon. You must have missed this brilliant “reasoning” :

“The trial should be focused on the initial impact – that is how Trayvon was impacted once he realized he was being followed by someone who did not identify himself as he should have.” LOL


56 posted on 07/09/2013 12:48:09 PM PDT by Augustinian monk ("BUSHES WITHOUT BORDERS")
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To: KC_Conspirator
I've wondered about the lesser included offense issue, too. However, self-defense is self-defense, even if only manslaughter is charged and even that has be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

I try civil cases and I wouldn't want the prosecution's case even on a more likely than not standard. From a lawyer's perspective this trial has been a nightmare for the prosecution.

57 posted on 07/09/2013 12:51:16 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
why did Zimmerman leave his car in the first place to go after his son?

He didn't. He left his car to go look at a house number.

58 posted on 07/09/2013 12:51:24 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t want to denigrate a group of people, but if you don’t known you can’t do what Trayvon did simply because a person didn’t stay in their car, you really do need to sit down before you hurt yourself.

Zimmerman got out of the car. He deserved it. It wouldn’t have happened if he would have stayed in his car.

This is actually rational to some people. No wonder they don’t think it’s wrong to pound someone’s head into the cement. Evidently this whole group has had their head pounded into the cement.

Isn’t it obvious?


59 posted on 07/09/2013 12:51:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: Mr. K

Or the morgue. But that would have been PC because he dissed Martin by suspecting him.


60 posted on 07/09/2013 12:52:34 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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