Posted on 06/22/2013 9:24:04 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER
“In a major blow for the prosecution in the George Zimmerman case, a judge on Saturday barred the testimony of two audio experts who suggested that a taped 911 call indicated Trayvon Martin was crying out for help during the violent struggle that ended with a gunshot,”
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The ones ruled out were NOT experts; they were charlatans. This is very good for GZ.
and this mornings AP story locally printed was very even tempered in actually laying out exactly what the case is about.
Meanwhile, when he is found not guilty, first part of discovery for Zimmerman’s civil suit should be a subpeona for all attempts to have the audio recording analyized by the prosecution including the results of those attempts. They did not just stumble into these two nimrods who authored that ridicules report purporting to actually hear the words of St. Trayvon. That may form the basis of the false prosecution claim along with the attempts to withhold other evidence from the defense. The DA in Jacksonville who signed off on this case as an attempt to megotiate a plea to some lessor charge, Nifonging GZ, needs to be removed too.
The defense experts merely controverted the government’s. Each of them said that nothing could be said about who was screaming in the tape.
Also they said that screaming is not matchable to regular speech and since they do not have screaming samples from either Zimmerman or Martin...
Over here in Hollywood, one of my acquaintances who works for Dolby usually gets hired for court testimony as an audio expert. He won’t ever testify unless he’s 100% sure without any doubt as his resume and reputation are on the line.
Am I right in assuming that this was audio that was picked up by a witness that was making a 911 call to report a fight?
If so, then the scenario is a teeny-tiny cell phone microphone picking up audio at a distance and out of line-of-sight (since witness did not see the fight, I have to assume it was like from a porch or through a window).
I am no audio expert, but I have sold HiFi gear all my life and the idea that distant background voices recorded by a microphone from the lowest bidder, digitized to the smallest bit-rate possible, sent through other electronic means and then laid on another recorder could have any testimony worthy information is ludicrous.
Maybe John Edwards can channel the spirit of Trayvon as he did in trial lawyer cases about dead children.
With this ruling, I think it is in order for the defense to ask the court to dismiss the case for lack of evidence. Zimmerman would still be liable to prosecution should sufficient evidence ever be produced. But, really, it is not in the state’s interest or the Martin family’s interest to proceed to a trial and, thus protect Zimmerman from ever being tried again (b/c of double jeopardy), when the prosecution’s case is reduced to one person killed another person and when it is clear that there was a fight and there is no way to determine beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman either started the fight (and, so, would be guilty of something, perhaps assault) or didn’t fear for his life (and, so, was not acting in self defense when he killed Trayvon).
I was reading that there was at least one witness who heard Zimmerman screaming for help. "Audio expert" versus witness on the scene means "expert" loses.
I feel guilty even commenting on this trial because this trial should NOT be national news and should not be a press feeding frenzy. This is a big story only because of its symbolic value for liberals, who want to use it to reinforce their AmeriKKKa world view. Even if Zimmerman is found guilty, it will probably be a manslaughter conviction, not first or second degree murder. Meanwhile, numerous black-on-white murders - some of them clearly racist in intent - receive virtually NO media attention.
That’s an interesting analysis. Let’s “pretend” the Judge is actually an official member of the Prosecution (as opposed to the defacto member she is now).
She’s just been shown in no uncertain terms what the Defense intends to do if she calls her expert witnesses: Impeach them so thoroughly they’ll actually discredit the science of audiology. Worse, it’ll happen in front of the Jury. The damage to her case could be so severe her side could never recover, and real incriminating evidence will be brought into question as it’s being presented. Prosecutor Nelson has concluded she’d be a fool to put Owens and Reich on the stand and accept their findings.
/hypothetical
Rev. Al will be flummoxed. But then, he always sounds like he’s just been flummoxed.
**Were they named “Sharpton” and “Jackson” ?**
Speaking of — have we heard from the just us brothers yet?
In other words, screaming was early evidence of Zimmerman's battle for his life.
That’s true, but the ear-witness will be discredited. There was another expert analysis submitted by the defense that said definitively (and with much better sound analysis) that the voice was Zimmerman screaming for help, and I think this is what the judge wants to exclude.
I suspect that expert witness will be the next to be eliminated.
I wouldn’t call excluding imagined evidence “a major blow to the prosecution”, they still have mom and dad’s testimony if they want to use it. More like a major blow for justice and... yes... excellent news!
The prosecution’s experts were claiming they could identify the screamer and hear things, defense’s experts were simply saying you can’t do that reliably, so excluding prosecution’s imaginary evidence eliminates need for both.
Trayvon could not be reached for comment.
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