BREAKING: Zimmerman Judge Rules Out Audio Experts

TTAG ^ | JUNE 22, 2013 | Robert Farago

[SWAMPSNIPER]

“In a major blow for the prosecution in the George Zimmerman case, a judge on Saturday barred the testimony of two audio experts who suggested that a taped 911 call indicated Trayvon Martin was crying out for help during the violent struggle that ended with a gunshot,”

[HiTech RedNeck]

Oh, lol!!!

[House Atreides]

“...my feeling is after listening to the prosecution’s audio witness is that some people will say anything for money...he seemed to be a real scumbag...imho”
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I listened to that idiot being interviewed and I agree wholeheartedly with this-—if you leave out the two words ‘seemed to’.

[lefty-lie-spy]

Remember the movie, “Lock Up”, I think it was, with Sylvester Stallone and Patrick Swayze? The “audio expert” was the mole.

[lefty-lie-spy]

Wait...I think it was Kurt Russell?

[17th Miss Regt]

That is a real possibility.

I also wonder if she thought that the audio stuff was so flaky that if the prosecution brought in their audio experts that the defense witnesses might destroy them through the defense witnesses testimony. It need not be oppositional (prosecution says it is the Right Reverend St Trayvon versus defense saying it is George Z. It may simply be that the prosecution says it is His Holiness St Trayvon versus defense saying "We cannot tell who it is - there is not enough there to tell with any certainty.) This second scenario might be more dangerous as the jury could decide the defense is right and the audio stuff goes out the window.

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

"I believe "audio experts" are people that have some experience in listening."

AH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! I like your thinking!

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

I am always skeptical when a dim-lef-lib-pro-soc-com-tot does something that seems to help but never works.

She has ulterior motives.

[Uncle Chip]

they won’t be necessary now

[SilverMine]

I don’t believe this trial is about guilt or not guilty, it as all about social unrest, riots and mayhem in the streets of the big inner cities.

[YankeeReb]

It's really sad. I haven't been closely following this case but, if I were on the jury , I'd vote to free Zimmerman. The sad part is, not based on any information, but simply because the media (along with Zer0 and his half-assed comment) so badly want to see him convicted. Think about it, you have the usual race baiters, the pictures of the two men side by side, Travon looking as innocent as a lamb, Zimmerman in county orange and on top of it Zimmerman is constantly refferd to as a "White Hispanic" as if that alone proves he's guilty.

There's no way this man can get a fair trial.

[EDINVA]

I’ve been waiting ever so patiently for this judge to make her first ruling in favor of the defense. Alas, she’s now done it twice in the final days before trial. No prosecutor ‘audio expert’ and no reference to racial profiling. A step in the right direction.

To me, the most telling thing is that Jesse and Al aren’t down in Sanford stirring up the troops. Just like the Decatur IL case, they may have jumped in a little too soon and now have to retreat. We can hope.

[Uncle Chip]

The ORDER EXCLUDING THE OPINION TESTIMONY OF MR. OWEN AND DR. REICH

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0613/order_excluding.pdf

[YankeeReb]

I don’t believe this trial is about guilt or not guilty, it as all about social unrest, riots and mayhem in the streets of the big inner cities.

Exactly right, and if Zimmerman is found not guilty I'd give 50-50 odds that the fraud in the WH makes another comment about the case. Just to fan the flames.

[FlingWingFlyer]

"What do you want to be when you grow up, Jimmy?"

"I want to be an audio expert!"

[manc]

good but I am worried about the jury too, one woman admitted she used this case to tell her kids how not to dress as they could be profiled.
After hearing about the others too then I;m worried

[PLD]

according to the news article I read this Judge was a democrat but now is a Republican..I say bull she rules like a democrat..I think she became a republican when it was time for elections..I think Zimmerman needs to watch it she will rule out all the evidence about the little thug Martin,

[Road Warrior ‘04]

My guess is that this corrupt judge realized it was Zimmerman screaming for help and would never allow that in court! Not politically correct, you see!

[Gay State Conservative]

They are still available to the defense.

Was that states in the article? (I didn't click the link) One might think that,in the interest of "fairness" that if the judge bars one side from calling a certain type of "expert" the same ban would apply to the other side as well.Unless,perhaps,the judge doubted the expertise of a *particular individual*.

I don’t see a great use for them, off the top of my head, but they can be called.

One might think that research has been done at various universities,perhaps even prestigious ones (MIT,Harvard Medical School,etc) on the human voice and voice recognition that could be applied to a matter like this.If my hunch is correct the only thing that might call the "science" into question is if respected researchers have reached substantially different conclusions in their work.

[livius]

There really is no case against him, and everybody knows it.

The thing is that if she rules out these audio experts, I think she can also rule out the ones that supported Zimmerman. So who knows where this is going to go?

[Cboldt]

The order specifically excludes Owen and Reich, while mentioning four other experts. Only the opinion testimony of Owen are Reich are excluded from testimony. IOW, I got my impression from the opinion and order. I read the news to see how bad they get the facts, not to see what the facts are.

The defense experts testified extensively on the "difficulty" (it's roughly impossible) in applying science to identify a screamer. The human voice changes radically when under that kind of stress, and the changes are unpredictable.