I can’t hear, SWAMPSNIPER. Can you give ne a synopses of what he said?
He sure acted like he didn’t know the words “probable cause” were actually in the 4th Amendment. That is stunning. This man has served in many positions that directly dealt with/deal with the Constitution and yet seems clueless.
To the NSA, “probable cause” means “because we want to; that’s why!”.
Wiretapping is such BS.
After a crime has been committed, the Fourth Amendment permits a warrant to be issued for the purpose of searching for and seizing the person(s) accused of the crime or the evidence concerning the crime. Someone has to testify before a judge that the person(s) or evidence exist at the place specified.
In order to solve our current problem (i.e. terrorism), other means than wiretapping must be used. For instance, stop importing terrorists, export the ones that are already here, and permit the people of this nation to speak out - loudly - against the enemy’s ideology.
Since our government is doing the precise opposite, one might assume that the intent is to make Americans so desperate that we’ll abandon the protection of the Fourth Amendment.
In a way this is even worse because Hayden said this when he was in charge. The video date is 2006. Galling to have to be agreeing with Keith Olberman (on the video) ..
It's as if the far left wishes to get us to say that things that are clearly there, are not.
A couple of key points:
This was January 23rd 2006, just after Hayden moved on from NSA.
As Director of the NSA from 1999-2005, Hayden implemented the post-9/11 telephone surveillance programs.
This National Press Club event in January 2005 was just as the Bush-era “Warrantless Wiretapping” scandal was starting to break.
This was prior to the amendments to the FISA law in 2008.
So Hayden is defending the Bush program at this point, he is not defending the post “Warrantless Wiretapping” program after 2007, the post FISA amendments after 2008, or the Obama program after 2009.
OMG, why is he dressed up as a four star general?!
Here’s a possibility on a compromise. If “they” can snoop on our communications and whereabouts anytime, anyplace, how about if we can do the same to them?
GPS locators on ALL cop cars, with a public website. Webcams in ALL public officials’ offices. ALL electronic communications among politicians done in open chat.
And so on.
BTW and FYI, Mr. Hayden, unreasonable searches and seizures IS in the 4th Amendment which by settled law includes probable cause for government searches and seizures.
Next.
“The constitutional standard is “reasonable.” And we believe — I am convinced that we are lawful because what it is we’re doing is reasonable.”
LMAO. We are so screwed.
He clearly doesn’t think a warrant is even needed as long as the violation of privacy is ‘reasonable’.
And he decides what is reasonable and what is not reasonable.
In other words, he thinks like a tyrant.
BTTT
I had no idea Gen Hayden went to public school.
I am sure, however, that he can find the right to kill children and bothersome old people somewhere in the penumbra of the illuminations.
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That should make those who support the NSA’s overreach feel a lot better. This general is only walking the line. Everything is tied right back into a government overreach and the waste to corruption. We have some name calling and referring to others as they speak out because they are wanting to protect the U.S. constitution. Now, all of a sudden, our privacy rights are being taken away. You have to be cautious because there are imposers among us. Why people feel comfortable in trusting a government with your constitutional rights is a wrong path to be on. With Obama, Snowden and the corruption in D.C., we have a fair reason to be skeptical.
A few historical examples exist of Generals who were true Americans who understood and respected the Constitution. Washington, Grant, Robert E. Lee, and Ike come to mind.
But the modern flag officers are petty tyrants that are revel in their unquestioned dictatorial military role, and wish to translate it into society as a whole.
And though they have advanced degrees in international law, they have only a cursory understanding of the constitution.
And this is because they simply do not view it as their roadmap,, period.
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Swimming on the n.coast of Calif, is very recreational. Not quite like rowing on the Potomac. We will usually find a body, from mishap. Parts or pieces, dna is dna. Open invitation, Mikey Hayden. Come swimming and riding. Heck, we may even get in a hog hunt, in the redwoods. You did mention those trees, at one time. Come back.