Posted on 06/15/2013 6:33:28 AM PDT by DannyTN
I've been advocating leaving the scouts since the vote, but that's the wrong approach. The BSA is worth fighting for.
I went last night to the Boxwood Scout Retreat here in Tennessee to pick up my son from a week of scouting. As I looked around at the pristine property on the edge of Old Hickory Lake, and the decades of work it must have taken to build the facilities located there, I realized what a shame it was to give it all up without a fight.
The BSA have assets on their books of over $1 billion offset by just $300 million in liablilities. And my guess is that their assets are probably vastly understated as most of their real estate would be listed at purchase price not current value.
Let's not walk away from that because one vote took us by surprise.
Instead the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Assemblies of God, whatever other churchs will join us, including Mormons need to band together and reverse this decision.
We need to examine the delegates that were sent and how they voted. And we need to clean house of the delegates that allowed this travesty. And we need to identify the people on the board and in the leadership who pushed for this.
Then we need to go to the next national meeting with enough votes in hand to overturn this decision.
I've seen this happen before with Baptist churches. Every once in a while a church will call a pastor and the pastor will turn out to be a kook. He'll start running off long term members and bringing in his own following who have an almost cult like attachment to him.
One church I knew dropped out of the Southern Baptist Convention and the preacher told the church they could change their name to "Mike's angels" for all he cared. Within a year they had mortgaged the church, stripped it of all it's assets and went bankrupt. The original members were able to buy the church back from the bank, but it was a hard lesson.
Another church had the same thing happen to them, but after about a year of losing long term members, the Deacons realized what was happening, manned up and fired the preacher. The church was weakened but survived.
It's time to man up, change the leadership, reverse this decision and take the scouts back.
I went last night to pick my son up from
After losing one vote? Now they got the church's attention. Now is the opportunity to muster an organized response and clean house.
I you help the current perverted leadership by supporting the scouts in its present form, you are part of the problem.
The American people are just to uninformed to change course.
Very encouraging to think we’ll have your type thinking as backup if the SHTF!
BSA is one of the best things that any boy can do in forming a good citizen. Boy Scouts is one of the building blocks, if not a keystone to America’s spirit and freedom. It will never be replaced if chickens abandon a fight to keep Scouting.
Most of us have no clue on how to go up against the BSA Board that voted in this queer crap, but that does not mean there is no way, we just have to be willing to invest our time and effort to this worthy fight.
Agree 100%.
Ditto as Rush would say..
Hear Hear
Walking away from Boy Scouts without a fight against leftist thought infltration is like giving up US citizenship because of obama and the US Congress
Parents control who their kids go camping with and can choose their kids troop leader, become troop leaders or go as chaperones. Cub camping is basically family camping anyway
I’m not suggesting a prolonged fight with no progress. I’m suggesting an organized planned response led by the organized churches to take back the leadership and weed out the problems.
If we can’t win the next meeting, or at least see a path to winning, then it’s time to abandon them. But just like those churches, the good people can run and have to start from scratch, or you can man up right now and deal with the leadership problem.
The ONLY way to get the BSA to reconsider is for them to lose members and sponsors
Geez. I remember seeing BSA television ads in the late ‘70s that featured George Takei. Now, he’s one of the architects of the organization’s demise.
Knowing the realities of camping, first it doesn’t sound much like a queerbob or even a couch-potato thing to spend days roughing it, second I suspect the straight campers will have some interesting ways to discourage a second campout “experience”.
The homo community is going to be surprised when their “Boy Scout” infiltration doesn’t pan out sufficiently to give them BSA support for queer Scout Leaders.
Bullshite. Yep, its a lot easier to complain and run away.
The fake theater of concern about homosexual adult leader is just that, and will soon be dropped.
Would you remain a member of a "gay church" because you and a small group of opposing parishioners thought you could somehow redeem it?
That way they "appear" to be in control. The fact that they held a secret vote is reason enough to suspect fraud.
I would like to see a split. The traditional scout and the progressive scouts. Take a membership vote on who wants to be in which one, the split the assets based on that vote.
I know it wouldn’t be that simple, but it should be.
It’s usually the liberals who start to die on the vine because the resources primarily come from the conservative members. Staying around will only feed the beast. Take the money and run.
Absolutely. There was a lot of fraud. Who knows, maybe NSA wire taps were used to control the “right” people. that used to sound paranoid, but now it is VERY believable.
Barry’ blackmail and butt worshipper squads are in control.
I understand where your heart is, and I wholeheartedly support the idea of fighting back, but you are misidentifying where the problem is. The problem isn’t some vague vote, or showing up with enough votes to overturn a bad decision, the problem is professional scouting and how it has utterly usurped Lord Baden Powell’s book and his ideals.
You want to fight back? Start by rejecting professional scouting. If your council is run by paid staffers, insist that they immediately be fired, that the council offices immediately be closed, and that you will accept no substitution for the all volunteer organization. And should they reject your demand, simply found your own council, seeking those who are in the community, who reflect the values of scouting, to lead that council and continue the tradition of an all volunteer organization.
Because the simple truth is: National doesn’t have enough money to sue every boy scout troop into submission. Yes, they’ve already taken your troop’s trust funds and blown them away, they’ve taken scout camps and sold them off, only to lease them back, along with every string attached that comes with letting others determine your agenda. And once you’ve got your council squared away, reject the national oversight.
You have no need of permission to be a scout, no need for professional scouts, nor the decisions they make only to gain funds to continue professional scouting. When Caterpillar cuts donations, that doesn’t mean that your troop can’t afford a camp out, that means that national can’t afford to hire more people, pay bigger benefits, handle retirement benefits - in other words, the funds for these big ‘donors’ are just going to fund the national organization.
Anything that departs from the core of scouting, of an all volunteer organization, should be rejected. That is the only vote that really matters. It can be scary to do something alone - get other troops to go with you. Because this really isn’t about gays wearing the scouting uniform, it is about restoring the real authorities back. A duty to God, country and obeying the scout law.
The BS is now a mere for-profit corporation. I would have no more heartburn leaving the BSA than I would not shopping a store.
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