Impact of Open Homosexuality in Scouting (Pre-vote statement)

(OnMyHonor.Net is the nationwide coalition of concerned parents, Scout Leaders, Scouting Donors, Eagle Scouts and other members of the Boy Scouts of America who are united in their support of Scouting’s current membership policies and their opposition to the proposed resolution which requires open homosexuality in the Boy Scouts.)

On May 9, 2013, pro-resolution BSA officials issued a document entitled “Membership Resolution Points of Clarification” which appears to be a direct response to OnMyHonor.Net’s “Ten Reasons Delegates Should Vote No”. This is a point-by-point response to the Points of Clarification written exclusively for voting BSA delegates.

First, the single most important thing that delegates should know which has never been mentioned by any the pro-resolution BSA materials is that even though the proposed resolution would not apply to adults immediately, legal experts estimate the new rule will also extend to everyone in the BSA, including adults, within only a couple of years because of lawsuits that will be brought by gay-rights activists under state non-discrimination clauses around the country once a gay Boy Scout turns 18 and is removed from the program. The resolution is the first step in a two-step process in the whole program.

Second, there has been a lack of clarity regarding the nature of the actual words being amending to the current BSA policy, namely “open and avowed homosexuality”.

The essence of the difference between the old policy and the proposed new policy is that the old policy prohibits “open and avowed” homosexuality for both BSA youth and adult members but the new policy removes that prohibition for boys and requires every BSA unit to accept “open and avowed” homosexual youth up to 17 years old. Importantly, the current policy already allows for BSA members who have a same-sex attraction but do not act out openly or inappropriately to be in good standing and to earn Scouting’s highest rank of Eagle. This is a critical point that has been obscured by pro-resolution advocates but one which is irrefutable.

This statement seems close to a reversal of the BSA’s own values which were stated before the United States Supreme Court. The BSA’s official position and argument before the Court in the BSA vs. Dale case was:

“The Boy Scouts asserts that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the values embodied in the Scout Oath and Law, particularly those represented by the terms “morally straight” and “clean,” and that the organization does not want to promote homosexual conduct as a legitimate form of behavior.”

Further, in July 2012 last year, after an eleven member BSA committee studied the membership policy for two years they concluded that the prohibition on open and avowed homosexuality was “the absolute best policy” for the BSA according to the Associated Press. The sad reality of why the BSA did a complete reversal on this issue within a matter of months was the direct result of the relentless pressure and advocacy from gay-rights activists after the BSA affirmed their policy last year.

2. “This proposal is in line with the beliefs of most of Scouting’s major religious chartered organizations. We are unaware of any major religious chartered organization that believes a youth member simply stating he or she is attracted to the same sex, but not engaging in sexual activity, should make him or her unwelcome in their congregation.”

This statement is remarkably disingenuous and fails to recognize the reality of the “gay” culture in America. “Open and avowed” homosexuality or to identify oneself as “openly gay” in America consistently involves a flaunting of sexuality and the promotion of a left-leaning social political agenda. Things described as “gay” (e.g. gay movies, gay websites, gay magazines, gay parades etc…) almost uniformly involve images, speech, symbols and content which is blatantly sexual and utterly inappropriate for children. This hyper-sexualized behavior and conduct (apart from sexual acts themselves) are precisely what the proposed Resolution opens to door to when it proposes to allow open homosexuality in the BSA. It is pure naiveté to think that the behavioral standard words articulated in the resolution’s not legally binding “whereas” clauses will prevent the kind of inappropriate conversations, sexual innuendo, gay symbolism and emphasis on exhibiting sexuality that accompanies “open and avowed homosexuality”. Finally, while most of “Scouting’s major religious chartered” churches would welcome a teenager who merely has, or struggles with, same-sex attraction, those same churches would not allow membership to an openly gay teenager who is “loud and proud” bluntly promoting things considered by the church to be immoral and sinful. The current policy clearly already allows young people with a same-sex attraction so long as they do not engage in conduct and behavior that distracts from the mission of Scouting.

3. “This proposal remains true to the long-standing virtues of Scouting and allows all youth who sincerely want to be a part of Scouting the chance to experience this life-changing program…. While people have different opinions about this policy, kids are better off when they are in Scouting.”

The BSA cites the Voice of the Scout survey as the primary motive for the resolution, showing most BSA members indicated they would not want to deny a boy the Eagle Scout award because he tells the review Board for the first time that he is gay. This reflects the saying “Hard cases make bad law.” The rare hypothetical in the poll which most BSA members would see as unfair is no indication whatsoever of the Scouting family’s views on requiring all Scouting units to accept “openly gay” young people.

The question is not whether or not openly gay “kids are better off when they are in Scouting”. The question is whether the safety and security of boys in general are better off with the “open and avowed” homosexual boys living and sleeping with them in close quarters. Is the example and influence of a 16 year old, openly gay, high school activist really in the best interest of other boys in the program? Open and avowed homosexual kids are NOT “better off in Scouting” when their conduct and behavior is a distraction to the mission of Scouting and to the other boys in the program.

4. “The BSA would never consider a proposal that increased risk to young people.”

Based upon personal and candid conversations with BSA officials at the highest levels, the BSA is fully aware that this proposed resolution will absolutely increase the risk of boy-on-boy sexual contact in Scouting and yet of there has been no discussion or risk analysis done on this topic in any of the resolution reports or presentations. It is just short of dishonest for pro-resolution BSA officials to suggest that there will be no “increased risk”. BSA’s own Youth Protection videos indicate that “70% of abuse to boys is by teenagers”. Two-deep leadership will have to be at least three-deep for units with homosexual youth. Openly gay Boy Scouts who will likely want to be treated like everyone else will instead need to be tented separately and thus singled out and treated differently. The complexity of sleeping arrangements will create a myriad of social and legal liability challenges. Sexual awareness and harassment training will be required in all Scouting units. The BSA leaders setting forth the proposed policy clearly did not have the safety and security of the boys as their paramount concern. Enacting this resolution will result in more ugly litigation and will further the public scandal to the BSA, not to mention the tragedy of countless boys who will experience sexual, physical and psychological abuse.

5. “Some have asserted that this proposal will unduly interject sexuality into the BSA and take away parents’ rights to discuss sexuality at the time and place of their choosing”.

The proposed Resolution robs parents of the sole authority to raise issues of sex and sexuality with their kids. Parents should have the exclusive right to raise issues about sex and sexuality with their children in their own time and in their own way, in the privacy of their homes; not brought up by other older boys around a campfire. Allowing open homosexuality would inject a sensitive and highly-charged political issue into the heart of the BSA, against the wishes of the vast majority of parents.

6. “Boy Scouts of America membership is unequivocally unified about the value of Scouting. Some have asserted that if this proposal is adopted—or if the Boy Scouts does not amend its current policy—Scouting will see significant and unrecoverable losses in membership and monetary support.”

While the Voice of the Scout survey does show Scouting is popular because it brings great value, if the proposal is enacted, the program will immediately become unpopular among hundreds of thousands of its own members. A policy change would devastate the program financially, socially and legally as the BSA membership and revenues will drop instantly and the decision will gut a major percentage of human capital in the BSA. The BSA’s own estimates are that a policy change would create a “significant membership loss 200,000 to 400,000 youth”. OnMyHonor.Net’s internal estimates show the losses will be much higher at 500,000 to 600,000 youth leaving over a three-year period as the negative effects of the policy become evident. These estimates do not even calculate the hundreds of thousands of adult volunteers and parents who will leave also.

The financial impact would be enormous. The BSA’s own estimates show revenue losses at $30 million if a change is made. Camps will close, executives will be let go, and properties will be sold off as a result of the vast loss of finances from major donors, private foundations, and declining membership. If there is no change in policy, the BSA estimates that membership losses will only gradually decline over time and financial losses will be minimal.

7. The BSA is committed to listening to the Scouting family and engaging in open dialogue.

If I ask my son to do his chores and he says “Dad, I am listening to you, I am not going to do my chores, but I am listening…” Is he really listening? No; he is merely hearing with his ears but mocking me with his actions or inaction. This is essentially what the pro-resolution BSA officials have done: ignored the vast majority of polling data showing the Scouting family clearly does not want this change and instead cited to polling on gay marriage and the moral acceptability of homosexuality in the wider culture. The authors of the resolution did listen to someone, but unfortunately it was not the Scouting family who overwhelming reject any change to the membership standards.

To be as charitable to the authors of this resolution as possible, I believe the BSA leaders attempted in good faith to find a compromise “silver-bullet” solution to their dilemma of national controversy and pressure from traditionalists and pro-gay right advocates trying to hold the program together. They likely felt that they had a clever strategy that could stop the persistent tide of pressure and criticism from gay-rights activists while still controlling and possibly influencing openly gay Boy Scouts for good. The problem and the blind spots of the BSA officials are with their lack of understanding regarding the unintended legal consequences or how crafty and relentless their real opponents are in the gay-rights movement. This is especially true regarding the very serious lawsuits which would come almost immediately after this resolution is adopted. These legal challenges will blow the door of the new rule open to every member of the BSA, including adults. There has been no mention of this in any statements or documents made available to members.

Additionally, the pro-resolution BSA officials completely misunderstand what it means to be “openly gay” as defined and experienced by that culture in America. They also have lost sight of the true mission of the BSA by playing word games and basing moral and ethical choices on polling instead of on the “timeless values” of the Scout Oath and Scout Law. They lacked the moral courage to just do what was right and defend their policy and the values that support it. Finally, instead of doing what was clearly in the best interest of the boys, they were willing to compromise the safety and security of our young people by creating a policy designed to try to reduce the intense criticism the BSA has received under the false guise of “not denying scouting to any boy.” If the resolution passes, Scouting will eventually wither and become a much weaker movement that will fade into American history. In order for the Boy Scouts of America to continue as the robust jewel of American culture, its delegates must “Vote No” to the proposed resolution.

The author of this OnMyHonor.Net response is John Stemberger, an Eagle Scout, a Vigil Honor member of the Order of the Arrow, a former Scoutmaster, a Lifetime N.E.S.A. member and a father with two sons in Scouting. He is also an AV-rated Orlando lawyer who practices in civil and constitutional litigation.

1) The proposed BSA resolution is logically incoherent and morally and ethically inconsistent. Under the proposed change in policy, open homosexuality would be officially consistent with the Scouting code throughout a Boy Scout’s life until the moment he turns 18, when it suddenly becomes a problem. Under the policy when a 16- or 17-year-old “open and avowed” homosexual becomes an Eagle before his 18th birthday, right after he turns 18 he is removed from Scouting. No troop leader would want to put himself in the position of enforcing such an irrational rule. A de facto change in the rule against openly homosexual adult leaders would also occur almost immediately. This inconsistency between the membership policy of youth and adults will provoke a “non-discrimination lawsuit by gay-rights activists groups against the BSA in which the association rights established by the Supreme Court will no longer be available. (See #7 infra.)

2) Opening the Boy Scouts to boys who openly proclaim being sexually attracted to other boys and/or openly identify themselves as “gay” will inevitably create an increase of boy-on-boy sexual contact which will result in further public scandal to the BSA, not to mention the tragedy of countless boys who will experience sexual, physical and psychological abuse. BSA’s own Youth Protection videos indicate that “70% of abuse to boys is by teenagers”. Two-deep leadership will have to be at least three-deep for units with homosexual youth. The complexity of sleeping arrangements will create a myriad of social and liability challenges. Sexual awareness and harassment training will be required in all Scouting units. The leaders setting forth the proposed policy clearly did not have the safety and security of the boys in the BSA as their paramount concern.

3) The proposal forces and requires every chartered Scouting unit, regardless of religious convictions, to accept “open and avowed homosexual” boys in their program. The proposed resolution is much worse than the original idea for a local option where each troop would decide whether to allow open homosexuality in its unit. This proposal fails to respect or reverence the religious beliefs, values and theology of the vast majority of Christian churches which charter well over 70% of all Scouting units.

4) If the proposal is enacted, it will gut a major percentage of human capital in the BSA and utterly devastate the program financially, socially and legally. Of the faith based Scouting units, the vast majority of them are Latter-day Saints, Methodists, Catholics or Southern Baptists. Despite what denominations may decide for political reasons, the majority of local churches that charter Scout units will not be able to embrace this policy without violating their religious convictions. The BSA’s own “Voice of the Scout” surveys provide solid evidence that tens- and possibly hundreds of thousands of parents and Scouts will leave the program if the proposal is adopted. The financial impact from such a significant membership loss would be enormous. Camps will close, executives will be let go and properties will be sold off as a result of the vast loss of finances from major donors, private foundations and declining membership.

5) The Resolution robs parents of the sole authority to raise issues of sex and sexuality with their kids. Parents should have the exclusive right to raise issues about sex and sexuality with their children in their own time and in their own way, in the privacy of their homes; not brought up by other older boys around a campfire. Allowing open homosexuality would inject a sensitive and highly-charged political issue into the heart of the BSA, against the wishes of the vast majority of parents. Under the longstanding current policy, boys who have a same-sex attraction are not banned or removed from the program unless they act out in a manner that distracts from the mission of the BSA.

6) The proposed policy directly contradicts the BSA’s comprehensive 2010-2012 study which unanimously concluded last summer that prohibiting “open and avowed homosexuality” was “the absolute best policy” for the Boy Scouts. Only months after the BSA affirmed the policy that was clearly in the best interest of its boys, a handful of top BSA officials caved from the pressure and criticism they received from their own adult peers. What kind of message are we sending to young people when the adults trying to teach them to be “brave” cannot muster up the courage to stand up for the values that are clearly best for the BSA? Sadly, instead of looking out for what is best for the safety and security of the boys in the program, BSA’s top leadership was more concerned about what is popular in the polls taken outside the Scouting family. To try to undermine the results of the unanimous 2012 study, the 2013 Voice of the Scout national survey was a carefully crafted tool to persuade and “condition” those surveyed to the idea of openly gay BSA members.

7) The proposed resolution leaves Scouting units with no options or legal protection if they refuse to allow open homosexuality among the boys of their units. This proposed policy completely retreats from the principles hard-fought in the U.S. Supreme Court case BSA vs. Dale in 2000. The legal protection will be completely removed for both adults and youth members. Scout units which refuses to accept or abide by the new policy will either have their charter revoked by national BSA leadership or become fully exposed to legal attacks for alleged violations of nondiscrimination ordinances. Even though the proposed resolution would not apply to adults immediately, legal experts estimate the new rule will also extend to everyone in the BSA, including adults, within only a couple of years because of lawsuits that will be brought by gay-rights activists under state non-discrimination clauses around the country once a gay Boy Scout turns 18 and is removed from the program. The resolution is the first step in a two-step process in the whole program.

8) The effect of the phrase “sexual preference” in the BSA resolution could be used by LGBT activists to push for transgendered girls in the BSA. If a biological girl “prefers” acting out as a transgendered boy, she must also be allowed into any Boy Scout troop. In October of 2011 the Girl Scouts admitted a 7-year-old boy named Bobby Montoya into their program who preferred to be treated as a girl. Because the vague and undefined phrase “sexual preference” is used in the resolution, it opens the door and requires Scout units to accept any sexual preference expressed.

9) The “whereas” clauses in the resolution are symbolic and not part of the actual proposed policy. While the Resolution includes some positive “Whereas” clauses designed to take the edge off of the new membership policy language by advocating for some type of moral purity, “Whereas” clauses have never been binding in contract law or in the legal construction of a resolution. The only words that will become part of the official membership policy are the 141 words after “NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT…”

10) Top BSA leaders completely ignored the collective wisdom of rank-and-file Scouting family members when they proposed this resolution. Nationwide the BSA’s official “Voice of the Scout” survey shows respondents support the current policy by a supermajority of 61% to 34%. This survey also showed:

The author of this open letter is John Stemberger, an Eagle Scout, a Vigil Honor member of the Order of the Arrow, a former Scoutmaster, a Lifetime N.E.S.A. member and a father with two sons in Scouting. He is an AV-rated Orlando lawyer who practices in civil and constitutional litigation.

Indeed, they talk of being discriminated in the past US military, when we all forget the US military was founded against gay like tyranny discrimination of the aristocrates in England. They got the whole history of the story wrong. It turns them into liars and persecutors with a false cloth of true abused dissidents. I believe some call this sociopaths.

The story of Soddom is true, imo, they would even seek to dominate angels in their perversities against all living things and beings, not leaving Lot and the visiting angels alone. It is obvious they live an antiharmoneous sexuality of domination and persecution of their targets, turning them through lies and pleas as being deemed of receiving punishment.

The communist liberal socialists are politically deep in that game of arrogance and spin, and they are all tainted by the arts and allures of the gay approach to the courts of opinion and deceit. They all are dependent on it.

My son bridged four years ago and decided to drop out. It just didn’t fit him anymore. My pocketbook was glad. They wanted a donation of $320 for him to continue.

Maybe our area was weird, but there were more goofy-looking adults in the uniform at potlucks than there were kids by 2 to 1. Living out their glory days or what? I found it somewhat creepy.

I admire you and applaud your action.

Never was a Scout myself. I wanted to be one desperately for a while. My grandfather got me a second-hand 1959-edition handbook, and used to carry that thing around, and read it cover-to-cover. Had every intention of joining the Scouts, but my father got transferred right at that time, and there was no chapter available. Time marched on.

Already have a letter in the mail, telling them to not even think about approaching me for solicitations or food-drives or whatnot. They are a disgrace to everything they once stood for. A disgrace to God and country. Their caving to deviancy has branded them as pathetic cowards. I have such utter contempt for them, I can hardly express it.

Cowardice and sodomy. That’s what the Scout uniform now stands for. Damn them, damn them, damn them. I spit in their faces.

“....he gets at 12 years old, what so many can not.”

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Most do get it but their PC attitude doesn’t allow them to choose between right and wrong.

‘Who are we to judge?’, and ‘all culture are alike’, and ‘we should not be prejudiced toward those of differing views’ and ‘who are we to say what is right or wrong?’.

The road to hell (am I allowed to use that word on FR?) is paved with all kinds of bullsh*t, double talk and seemingly good intentions.

“.............There are other clubs for this, like Club Med or nude beaches or something. Why do they have to screw around with the rest?”

The BSA is just a stepping stone towards another goal. Typical of the Marxists. The BSA, GSA, any organization with Christian mores is a target. Their ultimate goal is the demise of Christianity.

The United States of America must be humbled, reduced to a harmless blubbering mess incapable of defending itself much less defending other liberty loving allied Nations for the Marxist global goal to succeed.

The United States of America was founded in Christian belief. The Christian faith must be destroyed for the Marxists to succeed, thus any Christian organization must be poisoned to make irrelevant, or eliminate the Christian faith (or any other faith for that matter, but primarily the Christian faith, because of its huge following. Islam is a temporary alliance of useful idiots in the minds of the Marxists) for Marxism to succeed.

There can be no GOD to compete with Marxism for Marxism to succeed.

RE :”The essence of the difference between the old policy and the proposed new policy is that the old policy prohibits “open and avowed” homosexuality for both BSA youth and adult members but the new policy removes that prohibition for boys and requires every BSA unit to accept “open and avowed” homosexual youth up to 17 years old. Importantly, the current policy already allows for BSA members who have a same-sex attraction but do not act out openly or inappropriately to be in good standing and to earn Scouting’s highest rank of Eagle. This is a critical point that has been obscured by pro-resolution advocates but one which is irrefutable.”

That is why I donated to the Boy Scouts for about 10 years in a row and are sad to lose them.
This has been standard conservative principle for decades.
We dont discriminate against anyone FOR WHO THEY ARE but we need to for WHAT THEY DO and promote.

Their new policy is simply caving to the Homo-rights movement. Really sad.

How many of those writing to and calling the BSA will send their children off to our nation’s godless, HOMOSEXUAL, and MARXIST run socialist-entitlement K-12 schools on Tuesday?

Just wondering.

“BSA is going to go down the tube faster than J.C. Penney’s after their obstinate experiment with gay advertising”

I can see it now.

Hey gays, join up. I am sure you can fit right in.
or,
What is your “pack”?

On most forums concerning said psychopathology, There are far too many comments on directing homosexuals to start their own Boy Scouts group. First, this suggestion is the most barbaric form of child abuse and second, homosexuals don’t have their own kids: they don’t reproduce, normally. The driving force behind homosexual demands for inclusion in the BSA, is ACCESS to other people’s children.

This thing with the Boy Scouts is the final “cherry” on top of the cake. It’s a total triumph for the queer nation and the total destruction of the last obstacle in the way of morality in America.

I was in the Boy Scouts back in the 50’s and early 60’s when it was non-political and was an honor to be a member. We were taught the strict rules of the Boy Scout manual and actually “earned” merit badges that meant something.

Through the years the words Boy, Man, Male, Masculine, and any other word or phrase that described masculinity became forbidden code words for the enemy of feminism.

Well, we have finally reached the goal of feminists.....total eradication of the male species. Thanks to our public indoctrination centers (schools on all levels), TV, entertainment industry, and political correctness.

I never dreamed that I would condemn the Boy Scouts but times have changed and I will never support them (or anything they represent) ever again.

I should have seen it coming when the Girl Scouts became totally politically correct and allowed little boys to join. The Boy Scouts would not be long to fall in line.

I had not even thought about girls now saying they’re boys who want to join the boy scouts.

This is plain insanity, the whole concept of homosexuals and their agenda is purely insane.

We all know this is a step to getting homosexuals in leadership positions and yet again the homosexuals, [never used the term gay] can’t keep their sex life private and force others to have to have tem in their faces.

All on here I hope has protested this and will speak out at your churches, schools, neighbors, work because it is frigging high time that people stood up for the children and future of this country instead of remaining cowards and for anyone who will not speak up, will not question, will support this agenda, or say :hell I;m not saying it at work or to my family I don;t want any trouble”

Well you need to be ashamed and don’t bother thanking a vet or remembering those who died who actually gave their lives and you can’t even speak up for the children.

I’ so frigging pissed off right now with these deviants.

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