Posted on 04/17/2013 5:00:03 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
After the ignominious defeat of Obama/Soetoro`s gun registry Bills in the Senate he took to the podium and claimed the opponents , NRA, lied when they stated the proposed legislation would create a national gun registry.
HE LIED, period, end of story flat out LIED.
The legislation ONLY denied the Department of Justice from creating a national registry thereby allowing any other Federal Department to indeed create one.
From the Volokh Conspiracy :
The Toomey-Manchin Amendment...
1. The provision which claims to outlaw national gun registration in fact authorizes a national gun registry.
2. The provision which is supposed to strengthen existing federal law protecting the interstate transportation of personal firearms in fact cripples that protection.
Lets start with registration. Heres the Machin-Toomey text.
(c) Prohibition of National Gun Registry.-Section 923 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: (m) The Attorney General may not consolidate or centralize the records of the (1) acquisition or disposition of firearms, or any portion thereof, maintained by (A) a person with a valid, current license under this chapter; (B) an unlicensed transferor under section 922(t); or (2) possession or ownership of a firearm, maintained by any medical or health insurance entity..
The limit on creating a registry applies only to the Attorney General (and thus to entities under his direct control, such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives). By a straightforward application of inclusio unius exclusio alterius it is permissible for entities other than the Attorney General to create gun registries, using whatever information they can acquire from their own operations. For example, the Secretary of HHS may consolidate and centralize whatever firearms records are maintained by any medical or health insurance entity. The Secretary of the Army may consolidate and centralize records about personal guns owned by military personnel and their families.
The Attorney General may not create a registry from the records of a person with a valid, current license under this chapter. In other words, the AG may not harvest the records of persons who currently hold a Federal Firearms License (FFL). Thus, pursuant to inclusio unius, the AG may centralize and consolidate the records of FFLs who have retired from their business.
More here:
http://www.volokh.com/2013/04/15/the-pro-gun-provisions-of-manchin-toomey-are-actually-a-bonanza-of-gun-control/
THE FACTS ARE CLEAR : OBAMA/SOETORO LIED
thanx, PA45
And Fast & Furious proved that gun running is alive and well.
I'm sure the gun runners are disappointed with the vote.
Pay attention to “any medical agency”
“Lawsuit accuses IRS agents of stealing 60M medical records”
Mar 15, 2013
...and pay strict attention to “any other Federal Department”
F Y obamma, you sorry POS.
The gun control bait and switch
By: John Hayward | April 17th, 2013
The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA), which styles itself the second largest gun-rights group after the National Rifle Association, broke from the rest of the Second Amendment movement to endorse the Toomey-Manchin compromise with remarkably effusive praise:
If you read the Manchin-Toomey substitute amendment, you can see all the advances for our cause that it contains like interstate sales of handguns, veteran gun rights restoration, travel with firearms protection, civil and criminal immunity lawsuit protection, and most important of all, the guarantee that people, including federal officers, will go to federal prison for up to 15 years if they attempt to use any gun sales records to set up a gun registry.
This was duly reported as a Highly Significant Event by the media, which was delighted to pit the CCRKBA against the NRA. For example, from a CNN blog post last weekend:
The NRA and other groups opposed to the Manchin-Toomey measure are unwilling to take the hits, [CCRKBA chairman Alan] Gottlieb told CNN.
Toomey wrote on Twitter Sunday, Glad to have the support of Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
And Manchin called the groups endorsement huge in an appearance on Fox News.
It is a win for us, he insisted.
While he has heard from members of his group who are upset at its endorsement, Gottleib said it is expected.
A lot of the people dont trust anyone, he continued.
As it turns out, those people were absolutely correct, and Gottlieb was played for a fool. As the clock ticked down on the Manchin-Toomey vote, key provisions the CCRKBA required to support the bill were deftly stripped out, and the organizations leaders were obliged to withdraw their support:
The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms has withdrawn its support for the Manchin-Toomey alternative background check measure because a key amendment for restoration of firearms rights is not being considered.
Our support for this measure was contingent on several key provisions, the cornerstone of which was a rights restoration provision that is not on the schedule for consideration. This is not a reflection against Senators Joe Manchin or Pat Toomey, who are staunch Second Amendment advocates.
Why is this a surprise to anyone? This is how gun control works. This is how progressivism works. False promises are made, and broken at the appropriate time. Vast new powers are asserted, safe in the knowledge that the paper chains binding them can be snipped at will.
More here:
http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/17/the-gun-control-bait-and-switch/
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IE the illegal alien squatting at 1600Penn Ave.
Does any one believe this creature will cede power at the appointed time?
I have no such illusions!
I bet the withdrawel of support by the CCRKBA got NO MEDIA ATTENTION. Am I right?
As far as I know the only media attention was given to Obama/Soetoro`s press conference rant and his bold faced lie so yes you are correct
“The medical records remain in the hands of the IRS, who refuse to return them, and may contain intimate information on every state judge in California, every state court employee in California, members of the Screen Actors Guild and the Directors Guild, as well as other prominent citizens. “
Every Judge in California - ok! state employees - ok, Screen Actors Guild - ok! All Liberals. Let them get a taste of their own medicine since they advocated this crap on us.
This is how dictators react, not a President.
Hes incensed that HIS dictates were thrown back in his face. HOW DARE THESE PEONS!!
I love watching this lying POS man-child stamp his foot.
I think he will, for no other reason than he’s a lazy SOB & isn’t interested in a job with regular hours.
Fast and Furious 2.0 failed.
There's many ways to get around any laws against record keeping. They can make state agencies keep the records. They can get a private contractor to keep possession of the records. You can get a private organization to keep the records for free (I'm sure there are a few who would be glad to volunteer). And in all cases federal agents would have the privilege of querying the data.
Prohibitions are also worthless unless they specify criminal and civil penalties for violations, so that violators can be charged and also privately sued.
Seriously, poor Obama dragged Gifford, the Newtown parents and the rest of the gun grabbing freakshow on parade out for his 5:30 rant, but because of breaking news in the Boston bombings and the Ricin scare, the media devoted about 30 seconds to both the Senate vote and his rant.
...his presidency is a LIE!
When zero’s sad, I’m happy.
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