Posted on 04/11/2013 5:51:38 AM PDT by yldstrk
Apparently the Missouri Department of Revenue keeps the list of all CCW permit holders and marks their driver license with a special indicator. Mo Highway Patrol requested a list of all and twice provided it to Social Security Administration.
Let’s face it.
A behemoth, leviathan, central government like ours - infiltrated by statists of a tyrannical mindset reminiscent of Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Red China, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, etc, etc, etc - will do what such people have always done: register guns, confiscate guns, and then practice genocidal mass murders on their own people.
Historically, centralized governments are by far the greatest mass murderers of their citizens, with body counts in the hundreds of millions in the past century.
The Locals, States and especially the Feds seem merely jealous of these little rogue murderers in Aurora and Sandy Hook and such, but take advantage of the tragedies to prepare for the day when they get their own turn.
It is up to the states to resist these fishing expeditions. I sent off a letter to our governor about this issue, hopefully, it will have some affect.
The problem goes beyond the instant issue. There are so many of these cop wannabees and so many with broad authorities at the federal level looking behind every tree for any apparent or imagined problem to make us all felons. The Nazi’s used to have people on every block, named Gliters (sp?), aka blockwatchers. We have the same here now except they work for the imperial federal government. Drones, wiretaps without warrant, e mail purusols, garbage can sweeps etc, all out there looking for the criminals or if they cannot find one, just plant some kind of evidence and we have a crime. When they get this gun control thing up and running and given how many people own firearms there will be a plethora of new felons to prey upon: Those who own guns and don’t register them, those who own guns and take a certain BP med like a beta blocker, those who have more than two boxes of ammo at home. Wow, we can lock up the whole bunch of them or better still, force them to admit to a felony, sieze their guns, and fine them a fortune. The dark days of america have arrived.
Have some real fun, put down some bouncing betties.
Now that’s going to entail some serious paperwork
It’s up to the cop what to do but your computer file is flagged with a CCW. I took the CCW class and the cop said he always ran serial numbers.
I think it needs to be at the top of the page with a siren, but that’s just me.
..VA law requires that the first words out of my mouth etc etc etc..
Not quite...I will inform the officer if in a ‘friendly state’, but VA does NOT require you to.
Think TN is the closest state that has it in its statute that you must inform.
FROM the Virginia State Police web site
In the instance of a traffic stop, should I advise the police officer that I have a concealed handgun permit?
Virginia law does not require you to notify the officer that you have a permit. However, Section 18.2-308, of the Code of Virginia, requires you to be in possession of the permit whenever you are carrying a concealed handgun and to display the permit and a government-issued photo-identification upon demand by a law-enforcement officer.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm#FAQ
I understand that VA informs the officer that the ‘tag holder’ has a permit but they can’t really give a straight answer as to out of state info that is provided on first check.
I ‘worry’ more in ‘UNFRIENDLY’ states that the data will show up on a ‘regular’ traffic stop, as ‘they’ can always come up with something to warrant a ‘search’ if they desire.
The old ‘drug sniffing’ dog is a goody, especially when they ‘hit’ on a vehicle that has NEVER had drugs in it, gives the LEO the right to check, then issue and apology and “Ain’t never seen Rex do that before”, course a good, expensive mouth piece could probably argue your case but I don’t trust the judges, juries etc anymore...
After all, when ‘common folk, MY PEERS’ manage to elect that bunch of misfits to office no telling what they would do to a Conservative Veteran, ‘illegally’ carrying a weapon in their territory.
I have been a police officer for 22 yrs. No officer I know of has ever asked to see or run a firearm just because they are a registered concealed permit holder. All it does is give me a heads up that a weapon may be in the car. Hell, most of the time they tell me they have it...never had an issue.
Whoever expects the two headed beast to play by rules is deluded. We the (common) people have all been ensnared by the elite and are in their sights. When the dollar crashes soon, thanks to welfare & warfare, God help us because that will be “the balloon going up”. Google and watch “Large widespread cutoff of supply chains coming” by Jim Willie. Sun Tzu advised his generals to never attack an enemy with “his back to the wall”; that’s us, but be wise as serpents yet fight like angry dogs. Jesus said to flee to the mountains when you see an army surrounding you; right now, the beast is like a python and I feel it’s cold coils.
My buddy used washers, they do not puncture tires. He threw thousands of them all over his land.
Thank you for posting. We need more active new media, and posting stories to freerepublic is part of it.
An occasional double post is a small price to pay for better news coverage.
Many people miss a first post, so a double can do good service.
From the article as to why SS is interested:
““Apparently from what I understand, they wanted to match up anyone who had a mental diagnosis or disability with also having a concealed carry license,” Schaefer said. “What I am told is there is no written request for that information.”
BTW VA also passed legislation that effective 1JUL13 the CCP list will NOT be a matter of public record.
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That is what “officer safety” is all about...going beyond that is a fishing expedition or worse a rights infringement.
So I agree with you.
Stay safe out there. 29 years was enough for me.
THAT is even more scary than the Missouri Highway Patrol doing it. This absolutely proves the existence of a clandestine Federal central computer registry of CCW holders. Probable source of transfer, "Homeland Security"/TSA to Canadian equivalents.
Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 571
Weapons Offenses
Section 571.093
August 28, 2012
Certain records closed to the public.
571.093. If any sheriff retains records of permits to obtain concealable firearms issued under former section 571.090, as repealed by senate bills nos. 62 and 41 of the ninety-fourth general assembly, then such records shall be closed to the public. No such record shall be made available for any purpose whatsoever unless its disclosure is mandated by a valid court order relating to a criminal investigation.
(L. 2008 H.B. 2034)
© Copyright
excerpt from the online Statutes of MO.
I read in the article is was “for investigative purposes”
I want to see the court order per the MO law that generated the demand for all 185,000 CCW records....
I think a civil suit against the DOR, Highway Patrol and the sources in the SS Admin are in order. Who do we contact to start such a thing?
but john mccain is still stuck on “I don’t understand”.
the senate AND STAFF are only about personal power and voters are nothing but serfs and slaves.
Attorney General’s Office would be one place to start. I believe there is a lawsuit already in Stoddard County, see the link above where listen hillary posted:
Stop 1. Front side windows of car tinted too darkly. Bought car at CarMax with current inspection, two inspections later. Was only “too dark” by a few percent - car came from Florida - looked fine to me. Dismissed aftern I had tinting removed.
Stop 2. License plate expired by few days. I had been out of state and failed to put new sticker on. No ticket.
Stop 3. Lying cop said I was speeding more than 15 over in 45 zone. Wasn’t true. What can you do? Nada.
How have they trained me? Here most cops love CCW holders - they are confirmed good guys.
What would you have done? Risked arrest?
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