Posted on 04/11/2013 5:51:38 AM PDT by yldstrk
Apparently the Missouri Department of Revenue keeps the list of all CCW permit holders and marks their driver license with a special indicator. Mo Highway Patrol requested a list of all and twice provided it to Social Security Administration.
The very first question from the agent asked was: " Mr. Xxxx, are you carrying your weapon today?" Canadian customs obviously had access to his Michigan CCW data, and would have gotten it from the US.
Missouri state law forbids them to share this data.
i fully support this lawsuit; hope it catches on
It may be SOP for all I know, but it is illegal
Headline is up on Drudge.
Silly you. Nothing the Democrats do is illegal!
The more distribution the better.
The premise here is what? How would someone get a CCW if they had a felony record? Hardly, not the reason. Whether they had some kind of mental disorder? What kind of such records does SSA have to show that, so obviously not a valid reason either. It is a way the feds had to garner this info for some nefarious purpose i.e. using it for some political purpose to support their gun control agenda? YES, someone was told to put together a program and use their law enforcement contacts to end run civil procedures. So, out trots an IG agent with SSA with a request for law enforcement info to his pal over at the Highway Patrol, after probably having been told to stick his request to the revenue department us his wazoo. Now if the IG SSA is using its authorities under medicare to peer down into medical records on individuals to match this data, I think there is a prima facia case for illegal tampering with medical records under privacy laws. I hope someone at the state level has the fortitude to stick this up their backsides. This is an egrious misuse of authority.
Good!
And the social security admin needs this why?
How the individual states deal with CCW permits is the choice of the states.
The Feds have no right or justification for collecting information identifying gun owners. This is the crux of the argument against expanded Federal gun control. They never obey their own laws. If there is a list of gun owners they will break the letter and spitit of the law to obtain it.
Every time we say we are concerned with the Feds collecting lists of gun owners we get ridiculed and called extremists.
But when it happens, repeatedly, the violation of our rights and the hypocrisy of the Feds is ignored.
Don’t believe this. Been stopped 3 times with my CCW, and they NEVER ASKED if I was carrying. VA law requires that the first words out of my mouth when stopped and carrying are, “Officer, I have a CCW and am carrying.”
Every time I was stopped, the officer said, “That’s fine - I don’t need to see it.”
NEVER did the officer ask to see the weapon and run a check on the weapon. NEVER.
In fact, the one thing the DON’T want is you reaching for your weapon! They perceive that as a threat - and you are risking getting shot by doing so. LEO friends have told me this.
And, to add, Virginia law as of last year allows anyone to carry a concealed weapon in their glove compartment or console. No CCW needed. And while a CCW carrier is required to notify the officer, a LEO told me that non-CCW carrier who has a weapon is not required to notify that he/she has a concealed weapon in the vehicle.
On one stop I did not have a weapon in the car. When I handed the officer my DL, he saw my CCW - and then asked, “I see your CCW there - are you carrying?” “No, sir. If I had been carrying, law would have required me to notify you immediately.” He smiled.
I agree. Part of the universal Marxist plan to get the good guys first and disarm them - and let the criminals go free.......
Wow. Even Massachusetts doesn't do this. We carry a separate LTC and are told that it is best to volunteer info that we are carrying...if we are.
Don't take offense at this please as none is intended. They have you trained very well. Our founders would be shaking their heads in disbelief. You sure manage to get stopped a lot.
Here, they grabbed the entire list and turned it over to the Feds. Why?
Silly question, yldstrk! Because the really important people in Washington, D.C. asked for it!
Thanks for posting. I missed the earlier post.
Drudge had this about five headlines down just a few minutes ago, but now it’s at the top of column one.
Looks like the Feds are building an illegal registration list by hook or by crook. I’d bet they’ll do this in every blue state they can shake down.
It needs to be on top, don’t you think? Completely outrageous
My permit tells them I have A gun; anything else is yet to be discovered. I’m thinking if burying 100, 3-foot pieces of scrap steel on the six acres I own just to keep them busy. Of course sowing the fields with handfuls of nails, screws and other scrap might be fun too.
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