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Dropouts: Discouraged Americans leave labor force
Associated Press ^ | Apr 6, 2013 12:03 PM EDT | Paul Wiseman and Jesse Washington

Posted on 04/06/2013 12:33:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai

After a full year of fruitless job hunting, Natasha Baebler just gave up. She’d already abandoned hope of getting work in her field, counseling the disabled. But she couldn’t land anything else, either—not even a job interview at a telephone call center. Until she feels confident enough to send out resumes again, she’ll get by on food stamps and disability checks from Social Security and live with her parents in St. Louis. …

It isn’t supposed to be this way. After a recession, an improving economy is supposed to bring people back into the job market. Instead, the number of Americans in the labor force—those who have a job or are looking for one—fell by nearly half a million people from February to March, the government said Friday. And the percentage of working-age adults in the labor force—what’s called the participation rate—fell to 63.3 percent last month. It’s the lowest such figure since May 1979. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: clowardandpiven; laborforce; liberalagenda; unemployment
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To: Logical me

Documentation File on the negative impact of the Obamanation Counterculture on America.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 1:04:32 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: latina4dubya

Yeah, there are others like her out there!

It would be great if Freepers would take a leaf out of their own book and give someone who wants to better themselves a chance!


22 posted on 04/06/2013 1:13:09 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Olog-hai

I think a lot of 65+ are staying in the work force keeping us 40 somethings from advancing. By the time we get our shot at the top, we will be ready for retirement. Boomers sure like to do things to screw it up for the rest of us.


23 posted on 04/06/2013 1:17:34 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: BluH2o
“Interesting this is an AP article ... they consistently are touting the improving economy in most articles I read. “

You're are correct, and this brings up another consideration. The MSM can have a huge effect on public perception of the economy, and as such can actually have real effects on the economy. We saw this, IMHO, during the Clinton administration when everyday there was a screaming headline about how incredible the economy was and how the stock market was going through the roof. This, to some extent, is self-perpetuating ‘prophesy’ by the MSM.

They've been trying to do the same for Obama, and despite their best efforts we are in such a bad way that they aren't having any economic impact with their faux news, and they have had to find new creative ways to not report accurately the carnage.

24 posted on 04/06/2013 1:23:19 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Olog-hai
Has anyone done the math to see how much money a person who worked would have to 'set aside' and invest wisely to get the same return Social Security Disability scammers get? I'm guessing in the $800,000 range...

Lowlifes are bankrupting the country - but they are reliable democrat voters ... We can expect to see lots of pity party stories from the press about people who really are disabled to shore up all the loot going to scammers. Remember the guy who was 'disabled' because he got turned on by wearing diapers? His kinky girlfriend qualified too - she had to stay home to 'change' him. Whole families are jumping on this bandwagon... but the dem press won't cover that part...

Not only are million scamming the system, but they're destroying it for people who really are disabled.

When the system collapses the scammers will move on to the next scam - the elderly and truly disabled will die.

Yeah, we're totally charmed with liberal 'compassion'.

25 posted on 04/06/2013 1:26:12 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Olog-hai
Has anyone done the math to see how much money a person who worked would have to 'set aside' and invest wisely to get the same return Social Security Disability scammers get? I'm guessing in the $800,000 range...

Lowlifes are bankrupting the country - but they are reliable democrat voters ... We can expect to see lots of pity party stories from the press about people who really are disabled to shore up all the loot going to scammers. Remember the guy who was 'disabled' because he got turned on by wearing diapers? His kinky girlfriend qualified too - she had to stay home to 'change' him. Whole families are jumping on this bandwagon... but the dem press won't cover that part...

Not only are million scamming the system, but they're destroying it for people who really are disabled.

When the system collapses the scammers will move on to the next scam - the elderly and truly disabled will die.

Yeah, we're totally charmed with liberal 'compassion'.

Paul Wiseman and Jesse Washington need to get a clue... and write something outside the liberal mantra...

26 posted on 04/06/2013 1:27:27 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: napscoordinator
I think a lot of 65+ are staying in the work force keeping us 40 somethings from advancing. By the time we get our shot at the top, we will be ready for retirement. Boomers sure like to do things to screw it up for the rest of us.

Boomers paid full freight into FICA. Their parents got the benefit of paying little into the system but collecting the full payout. The system is going to go broke tying to payout on the boomers. It'll end with boomers stuck with nothing. Now comes the next generation brat who thinks boomers keep jobs from him. If you're in your 40's and you can't advance it's because you aren't competing as hard as the other guy. if a boomer has a job you want, then work harder. Stop whining.

27 posted on 04/06/2013 1:33:04 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Olog-hai

Oh but there are jobs! just look at all those employers falling over themselves to get “h1b” visas for non-Americans! All those jobs that 0 is starting for people to help the “oppressed” get on 0bamacare. People to work in the 0bamaphone store to give away free phones to the “oppressed”


28 posted on 04/06/2013 1:37:17 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: GOPJ

Average SSDI payments are around $1200/month. Average SS payments are $1500/month.

There are a lot of annuity calculators out there, but it seems like those amounts would require half or less than half of $800k.


29 posted on 04/06/2013 1:39:10 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
She is living with her parents for crying out loud...I just can’t go on ...its all mind numbing and I drag my butt out every am —early!—to go to work!

Good for you; you have a job.
I kinda don't. [I technically have one, sub-subcontracting some programming, but only get maybe 18 hr/mo.]
I'll second the discouragement angle: it's hard to get a job. My degree is in computer science, yet most hiring companies want "X years of experience in the industry" -- so by default I'm not technically eligible for most job-postings I've seen (I graduated in 2010 and now have about two years total experience with about only half of that being full-time work).

30 posted on 04/06/2013 1:41:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: napscoordinator

“I think a lot of 65+ are staying in the work force keeping us 40 somethings from advancing. By the time we get our shot at the top, we will be ready for retirement. Boomers sure like to do things to screw it up for the rest of us.”

Be careful; many of those 65+ people can’t afford to retire (and have a right to work), and many 20+ people are saying that about us 40+ people...


31 posted on 04/06/2013 1:45:05 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: OneWingedShark

The IT department in my company is Hispanic & Indian, with an American boss. Tech, like financial fields, are simply having wages pressured downwards by importing “replacement Americans” to do the work. Our external auditor sent 4 people to our firm; they included an Indian, a Filipino, a Canadian, and an American.

There is no shortage of Americans with accounting degrees, or even work experience; they were laid off BECAUSE OF that experience (and the wages it commanded).


32 posted on 04/06/2013 1:48:38 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: BluH2o

Bingo. Here’s where the hive-mind shows itself:

“After a recession, an improving economy is supposed to bring people back into the job market.”

They want us to believe that the recession is over and the economy is improving. I’ll say it again, the only real employment number that matters is the Labor Force Participation Rate — which is only going down to what we saw on Friday is now at levels not seen since 1979.


33 posted on 04/06/2013 1:55:29 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: GOPJ

Yes what you descirbe is Makers vs Takers. And it’s a huge problem for the Makers.

However, everyone is screwed by big banks, fiat money, and fractional reserve lending policies. You have huge banks that can (and have which have led to our problems) literally create recessions and depressions just by changing lending policy. We had totally fine businesses that died because banks turned off the credit to THEM - healthy businesses that routinely used credit to buy materials that would sell as products.

On top of that throw in the politicians who forced banks to make loans they’d never have made because people weren’t going to pay them back. Blame the banks again for making derivatives and derivatives of derivatives and being able to market them as “products” when they were just vapor speculations about what real products or commodities would do.

The whole fiat money system is a joke. More places around the world are dropping the dollar. That tells you what the “confidence” in it is, and it’s dropping. When you can create money out of thin air (fractional reserve lending) without anything benhind it. When it’s admitted this money system only works when there’s debt. When the banks can turn the economy upside down stopping lending or raising rates so high nobody will do it, even when bailed out - they just sat on the money. All the places that use normal credit for operating, which isn’t hard in businesses that continually turnover inventory - they all tank. Even the good ones. Banks made hardly any exceptions for even the companies in good shape.


34 posted on 04/06/2013 2:29:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Plenty of boomers have already been on the system for years. Disability and whatnot. The problem is ponzi schemes can’t work forever because the colleting base becomes too big unless the new base is bigger than them.

The boomers are the largest generation upcoming. There’s not enough working (or work) to cover that. Ponzi scheme will collapse.

Personally I did not have a choice to be in SS or not. My parents signed me into this contract and I have no way of getting out of it. talk about invalid contracts. They provide no way of people ever leaving and you can be stuck in it by someone else. If it was any other contract people would be fighting against it tooth and nail.


35 posted on 04/06/2013 2:36:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: jjotto
Ummm, I was in a Social Security office a few years ago and over half the people in the waiting room were in their late twenties - early thirties. Many looked like gang bangers... Some of these people will be collecting for the next 50 to 60 - maybe 70 years. It's takes a lot more than $800,000 to create $1,200 a month for 50 years.

Plus they're destroying a system designed to help people who really are disabled... That's awful. The United States is broke - crippling people with this kind of dependency is nuts.

36 posted on 04/06/2013 2:37:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Olog-hai

I was laid off in 09. I was one week from my 50th birthday. All through my life I had been laid off several times, and each time I was able to find a job before the first unemployment check came in. Not this time. After awhile, and some financial re arranging, I called it quits. Screw it. If we are going to be a socialist country, I damned sure aint pulling the wagon anymore! Don’t worry freepers, I am getting no support from the government. Farm is paid for, wife went to part time, and we are living off investments and rental property. My way of going Galt in a small way.


37 posted on 04/06/2013 2:55:32 PM PDT by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: txrefugee

“What is Natasha’s disability? Being stupid enough to vote for Obama twice?”

Yes! Disability also applies to the mentally-challenged liberal Dumocraps.


38 posted on 04/06/2013 2:57:13 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Olog-hai

The word discouraged is propaganda

A better word is enticed. That is rather than work, they are enticed to hire a lawyer to push through their phony disability claim.

It will be the task of a republican president to expose the slackers and jail the lawyers


39 posted on 04/06/2013 3:02:01 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Olog-hai
Count me among those who just gave up after 3 years.

But, I'm living off my own savings.

40 posted on 04/06/2013 3:21:27 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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