Posted on 03/27/2013 11:15:00 AM PDT by EveningStar
A California creationist is offering a $10,000 challenge to anyone who can prove in front of a judge that science contradicts the literal interpretation of the book of Genesis.
Dr Joseph Mastropaolo, who says he has set up the contest, the Literal Genesis Trial ...
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
I think the idea is that something greater than nature has to be the cause of nature. Something “super” natural, if you will.
Tublecane, think about what you're saying for a moment.
You're operating on the premise (at least here) that Jesus is God in flesh, yet He would need to hear about His own creation and His own word from a separate source to know it existed. That makes no sense.
Six days.
Yes, the mysterious, undetectable “Oort cloud.”
Neanderthals weren’t giants. A tall one would be 5-10 or 6’, but even a normal Neanderthal male at 5-9 could easily weigh 320 lbs without any fat on him. They had the same 6” Ice-Age fur coat as every other Ice-Age animal, huge eyes, big teeth, mean dispositions, killed megafauna with thrusting spears, and if anybody in Genesis had ever seen one of them, Genesis would say something about it. There is no possibility of anybody ever encountering one of those guys and not noticing it.
I didn’t say He would *need* to hear about it from someone else. However, the fact that he could have takes away whatever special import there could be in his knowing it. You didn’t have to be Jesus to get the creation story right back then; any Joe Jew would know the gist
What a ridiculous and erroneous claim. Show me where it says six 24 hour days! You cannot! Even within the first verses, we see that there is day and night, yet those things come to pass later, when the heavens are filled for that very purpose.
What belief do you eschew? That the earth is 6000 years old, is your presumption, but where is your proof? You are taking the words from another, and not applying a proper exegesis to those Words I noted. I have no way of determining the date and time of creation. I do believe it happened.
From: Literal translations of the Hebrew word, yom, like our English word "day," can refer to a 24 hour day, sunrise to sunset (12 hours), or a long, unspecified period of time (as in "the day of the dinosaurs"). The Hebrew word ereb, translated evening also means "sunset," "night" or "ending of the day." The Hebrew word boqer, translated morning, also means "sunrise," "coming of light," "beginning of the day," or "dawning," with possible metaphoric usage (1). Our English expression: "The dawning of an age" serves to illustrate this point. This expression in Hebrew could use the word, boqer, for dawning, which, in Genesis 1, is often translated morning. (www.godandscience.org)
Hebrews 11: 1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.2 For by it the men of old gained approval.
3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible
...and finally: 1 Corinthians 1: 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;23but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,28 and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,29 so that no man may boast before God.30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,31 so that, just as it is written, “LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD.”
Darwinism is just mind games wrapped into word games. Your answer typifies the "scientific community"! "We just BELIEVE you are wrong, and WE are right", because a scientist cannot "prove" God! He can only "theorize" and "conceptualize"... and rot in Hell!
It is a matter of faith, FRiend. It begins with a simple concept. There is a Book, written long ago, which purports to contain all the Wisdom of the ages. It is called the Bible, by most believers, which is just another word for book.
But, within it's pages are wondrous tales and samples of life. There is success. There is tragedy. There is sex. There is violence. But, throughout the tome, it has a trail of certainty, which can be used by what we call the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. Spirits by any name are not contained in physical form, and not bound by physical attributes.
But, that truth must have a confirmation, and an acceptance. We call it faith. If you believe there CAN be a God, then He certainly would have all of the attributes of our God. He would be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. Creating a universe would be child's play for such a being.
Also, there would be a motivating force, by which He is able to do things. We learn in our Bible that God is a Spirit, not a creature of flesh and blood. We also learn that He created us as imperfect beings, fraught with the dangers attached. He allowed us "free will" and often the result is what is called "sin".
The original word for "sin" means "missing the mark", as an arrow shot at the bullseye, but missing the center. Anything not in that small center is sin... and the penalty is SPIRITUAL death. He gave us the chance to say "no, thanks". But He didn't leave us. He also set a path to allow our imperfections to be overlooked, and excused.
God knew what He had done when He created us in His image, as He has no beginning and no end. He gave us a physical being, but we are also a spiritual being like him.
Time is a constant, and we BELIEVE He has the ability to see our hearts, before we are even a glimmer. He will allow us to fail miserably, and still give us a chance for Redemption from the penalties of sin, which would mean eternal separation from Him. Everybody gets that chance. Not all make a positive decision.
Jesus Christ is God, born miraculously (if you BELIEVE IT) to a virgin woman (human fled) and manifested as the son a carpenter, But He is a master builder. He was accepted by many, showed demonstrations of His powers, and had many followers. They continue to be added to the rolls today. I am one of them.
There is no proof for God. There is certainly no proof for Darwinism. Both require faith. For me, it is far easier to accept the truths of my Bible, and wonder how the Darwinists can be so naive.
How many penises does a paramecium have, and how many vaginas. None, yet we are to believe that man/woman came from such a single celled organism, out of the primordial slime.The need for such a simple thing as man and woman required for human reproduction flies in the face of Darwin's claims, and the more modern "evolutionary theory" is based on his supposition.
Even if you could accept the evolutionary theory, the time required for such change into all the simple and complex organisms we have today, could never have been completed by now. Your scientists say we are not old enough for those drastic changes, not me!
Believe it, or not!
I will order it and give it a look see ...
I am curious how they will handle Exodus 20 ...
How so, regarding Exodus 20?
That was not your previous point, and I said nothing at all about the span of time. You were wrong about Adam being created first. You said there was nothing before Adam, clearly contradicting Scripture. Now you are trying to cover up your error by obfuscation.
I think you might be dealing with a troll. I also challenged him on the point that Adam was created before everything else, and he similarly avoided facing his error by bringing up the 6 day period of time, which was not part of anything I addressed. All very much like a troll.
You’re being a donkey (polite term).
You know exactly what I meant, and only look to confuse the issue, and stiffle the flow of the facts.
I think God created evolution.
You have a general lack of understanding of God’s word.
The use of the terms ‘evening,’ and ‘morning,’ clearly depict normal days. The word is thick with proof that the Earth is presently 6013 years old.
A lack of understanding of that fact fails to negate it.
Wise Virgin, Foolish Virgin, pick your affiliation.
>> “I think God created evolution.” <<
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Cute.
God prevented evolution by using the DNA code in each and every cell he created. Each cell has a precise plan for the future embeded in its nucleus.
You misquoted Scripture several times, making “what you meant” a little cloudy. Adam was not created first. That is clear, but you said the Bible “most certainly” said so. Call me names all you want, you are still wrong. Grow up and admit it.
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