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Ten Neo-Confederate Myths
March 9, 2013 | vanity

Posted on 03/10/2013 8:19:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK

Ten Neo-Confederate Myths (+one)

  1. "Secession was not all about slavery."

    In fact, a study of the earliest secessionists documents shows, when they bother to give reasons at all, their only major concern was to protect the institution of slavery.
    For example, four seceding states issued "Declarations of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify Secession from the Federal Union".
    These documents use words like "slavery" and "institution" over 100 times, words like "tax" and "tariff" only once (re: a tax on slaves), "usurpation" once (re: slavery in territories), "oppression" once (re: potential future restrictions on slavery).

    So secession wasn't just all about slavery, it was only about slavery.

  2. "Secession had something to do with 'Big Government' in Washington exceeding its Constitutional limits."

    In fact, secessionists biggest real complaint was that Washington was not doing enough to enforce fugitive slave laws in Northern states.
    Mississippi's Declaration is instructive since it begins by explaining why slavery is so important:

    It goes on to complain that the Federal Government is not enforcing its own Fugitive Slave laws, saying that anti-slavery feeling:

    In fact, the Compromise of 1850 shifted responsibility for enforcing Fugitive Slave laws from northern states to the Federal Government, so this complaint amounts to a declaration that Washington is not powerful enough.

  3. "A 'right of secession' is guaranteed by the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution."

    In fact, no where in the Founders' literature is the 10th Amendment referenced as justifying unilateral, unapproved secession "at pleasure".
    Instead, secession (or "disunion") is always seen as a last resort, requiring mutual consent or material usurpations and oppression.
    For example, the Virginia Ratification Statement says:

    James Madison explained it this way:

  4. "In 1860, Abraham Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery in the South."

    In fact, the 1860 Republican platform only called for restricting slavery from territories where it did not already exist.
    And Lincoln repeatedly said he would not threaten slavery in states where it was already legal.

  5. "Abraham Lincoln refused to allow slave-states to leave the Union in peace."

    In fact, neither out-going President Buchanan nor incoming President Lincoln did anything to stop secessionists from declaring independence and forming a new Confederacy.
    And Buchanan did nothing to stop secessionists from unlawfully seizing Federal properties or threatening and shooting at Federal officials.
    Nor did Lincoln, until after the Confederacy started war at Fort Sumter (April 12, 1861) and then formally declared war on the United States, May 6, 1861.

  6. "Lincoln started war by invading the South."

    In fact, no Confederate soldier was killed by any Union force, and no Confederate state was "invaded" by any Union army until after secessionists started war at Fort Sumter and formally declared war on May 6, 1861.
    The first Confederate soldier was not killed directly in battle until June 10, 1861.

  7. "The Confederacy did not threaten or attack the Union --
    the South just wanted to be left alone."

    In fact, from Day One, Confederacy was an assault on the United States, and did many things to provoke and start, then formally declared war on the United States.

    From Day One secessionists began to unlawfully seize dozens of Federal properties (i.e., forts, armories, ships, arsenals, mints, etc.), often even before they formally declared secession.
    At the same time, they illegally threatened, imprisoned and fired on Federal officials -- for example, the ship Star of the West attempting to resupply Fort Sumter in January 1861 -- then launched a major assault to force Sumter's surrender, while offering military support for secessionist forces in a Union state (Missouri) .
    And all of that was before formally declaring war on the United States.

    After declaring war, the Confederacy sent forces into every Union state near the Confederacy, and some well beyond.
    Invaded Union states & territories included:


    In addition, small Confederate forces operated in California, Colorado and even briefly invaded Vermont from Canada.
    You could also add an invasion of Illinois planned by Confederate President Davis in January 1862, but made impossible by US Grant's victories at Forts Henry and Donaldson.

    In every state or territory outside the Confederacy proper, Confederate forces both "lived off the land" and attempted to "requisition" supplies to support Confederate forces at home.

    Secessionists also assaulted the United states by claiming possession of several Union states and territories which had never, or could never, in any form vote to seceed.
    So bottom line: the Confederacy threatened every Union state and territory it could reach.

  8. "The Union murdered, raped and pillaged civilians throughout the South."

    In fact, there are remarkably few records of civilians murdered or raped by either side, certainly as compared to other wars in history.
    But "pillaging" is a different subject, and both sides did it -- at least to some degree.
    The Union army was generally self-sufficient, well supplied from its own rail-heads, and seldom in need to "live off the land."
    In four years of war, the best known exceptions are Grant at Vicksburg and Sherman's "march to the sea".
    In both cases, their actions were crucial to victory.

    By contrast, Confederate armies were forced to "live off the land" both at home and abroad.
    Yes, inside the Confederacy itself, armies "paid" for their "requisitions" with nearly worthless money, but once they marched into Union states and territories, their money was absolutely worthless, and so regardless of what they called it, their "requisitions" were no better than pillaging.
    Perhaps the most famous example of Confederate pillaging, it's often said, cost RE Lee victory at the Battle of Gettysburg: while Lee's "eyes and ears" -- J.E.B. Stuart's cavalry -- was out pillaging desperately needed supplies in Maryland and Pennsylvania, Lee was partially blind to Union movements and strengths.

  9. "There was no treason in anything the south did."

    In fact, only one crime is defined in the US Constitution, and that is "treason".
    The Constitution's definition of "treason" could not be simpler and clearer:

    The Constitution also provides for Federal actions against "rebellion", "insurrection", "domestic violence", "invasion" declared war and treason.
    So Pro-Confederate arguments that "there was no treason" depend first of all on the legality of secession.
    If their secession was lawful, then there was no "treason", except of course among those citizens of Union states (i.e., Maryland, Kentucky & Missouri) which "adhered to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort".
    But the bottom line is this: in previous cases -- i.e., the Whiskey Rebellion -- once rebellion was defeated, rebels were all released or pardoned by the President of the United States.
    And that pattern, first established by President Washington, was followed under Presidents Lincoln and Johnson.

  10. "If you oppose slave-holders' secession declarations in 1860, then you're just another statist liberal."

    In fact, lawful secession by mutual consent could be 100% constitutional, if representatives submitted and passed such a bill in Congress, signed by the President.
    Alternatively, states could bring suit in the United States Supreme Court for a material breach of contract and have the Federal government declared an "oppressive" or "usurping" power justifying secession.

    But Deep-South slave-holders' unilateral, unapproved declarations of secession, without any material breach of contract issues, followed by insurrection and a declaration of war on the United States -- these our Founders clearly understood were acts of rebellion and treason -- which the Constitution was designed to defeat.

    That leads to the larger question of whether our Pro-Confederates actually respect the Constitution as it was intended or, do they really wish for a return to those far looser, less binding -- you might even say, 1960s style "free love" marriage contract -- for which their union was named: the Articles of Confederation?

    But consider: the Confederacy's constitution was basically a carbon copy of the US Constitution, emphasizing rights of holders of human "property".
    So there's no evidence that Confederate leaders were in any way more tolerant -- or "free love" advocates -- regarding secession from the Confederacy than any Union loyalist.

    Then what, precisely, does the allegation of "statism" mean?
    The truth is, in this context, it's simply one more spurious insult, and means nothing more than, "I don't like you because you won't agree with me."
    Poor baby... ;-)

Plus, one "bonus" myth:



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To: central_va

Actually, the Progressive Era more or less coincided in time with the Great Reconciliation between South and North, by which the War became sort of a Great Misunderstanding, not a world-historical conflict between two definitions of what America meant.

Progressivism of the time was entirely compatible with racism, as can be seen by Wilson, the great Progressive who was probably the most racist post-War President of them all. His racial attitudes lined up with the Confederacy, but he explicitly and openly rejected the limitations on federal power built into the Constitution.

Most people project modern political groupings and categories back into the past, and unthinkingly line modern groups up as being “the same.”

I used to do the same myself, till I was cured by a research paper on the English Civil War. You just cannot line the sides in that war up with anything resembling modern political groups. The basic concepts and alliances are just too different.


661 posted on 03/17/2013 7:24:59 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

The concept of states rights has been tainted, but you and I disagree on why. Mores’ the pity because states rights are the answer to an out of control Fedzilla.


662 posted on 03/17/2013 7:29:46 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Which of course, begs the question as to, “what was the purpose of secession?”
As we see today, the concept of an overarching federal government and history has shown a mostly untrammeled expansion of federal power.

As opposed to the "untrammeled expansion of slavery which is what the South demanded and the North rejected?

No one in the Federal government or in Northern states demanded a damn thing from the South. But the South continued to demand the 'untrammeled' expansion of slavery to wherever the hell they pleased, including Northern states where it had long ago been eliminated. They did not care about the rights of the other states. They did not care about long established Federal prerogatives. Expansion was their priority.

Push met shove.

But please stop pretending that secession was not about slavery. It was --- 100% about slavery.

The South had their justifications which I acknowledge on both economic and social grounds, but both of those were entirely due to their total reliance on slavery. It was entirely rational to them at that time.

663 posted on 03/17/2013 7:29:48 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Sloth

The United States wasn’t formed by secession from the British empire - It was formed after rebelling against the crown.


664 posted on 03/17/2013 7:33:31 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Sherman Logan
Progressivism of the time was entirely compatible with racism, as can be seen by Wilson, the great Progressive who was probably the most racist post-War President of them all. His racial attitudes lined up with the Confederacy, but he explicitly and openly rejected the limitations on federal power built into the Constitution.

Absolutely correct Sherman.

The 'Progressives' -- in fact where pretty deep racists until they were co-opted by the hard left during the 1920s and especially during the Depression.

In the 1940s and early 50s the hard left infiltrated the Civil Rights movement hoping that the 11% or so of black Americans would become the foot soldiers of their hoped for the socialist revolution. (Yes, they really believed they could start a revolution)

They didn't give a rat's ass about civil rights for blacks, or anyone else. It was just an issue they could use to their advantage.

Read David Horiwitzes book "Radical Son" to understand what was going on in those days.

665 posted on 03/17/2013 7:55:41 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto

“untrammeled expansion of slavery which is what the South demanded and the North rejected?”

I’d love to see evidence that the South wanted to expand slavery north of the Missouri Compromise line. This is false.

“But please stop pretending that secession was not about slavery. It was -— 100% about slavery.”

Which is why the emancipation proclamation freed the slaves in the north? No. It was about secession.


666 posted on 03/17/2013 11:18:39 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Look at it this way. Suppose blond Americans launched a revolt and enslaved the rest of us, then announced that their revolt and enslavement was legitimate according to the principle of the Declaration of Independence because a majority of blonds voted for it. Would you buy that?”

I live in a nation that just finished executing a third of my peers. That same nation is telling me that I have to fund it.


667 posted on 03/17/2013 11:21:08 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: rockrr

Lincoln issued in his inaugural address that there would be no negotiations. Bad faith, yes, but not on the part of the Confederacy.


668 posted on 03/17/2013 11:22:39 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

The ONLY reason why the Northern racists wanted to stop the expansion of slavery in the western territories was “to keep it lily white for all time”.


669 posted on 03/18/2013 3:20:41 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
The south offered to negotiate.

No they didn't.

670 posted on 03/18/2013 3:41:34 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
So yes, South Carolina's secession was unilateral, after which it became a plurality of states.

What dictionary is that from? Or did you make it up for the occasion?

671 posted on 03/18/2013 3:43:31 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
You, and the rest of the Lincoln Coven, spreading the myths about the Civil War, myths started in the progressive era, here on Free Republic do not forward the cause of states rights.

Do you honestly believe all the stuff you post?

672 posted on 03/18/2013 3:46:01 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
The ONLY reason why the Northern racists wanted to stop the expansion of slavery in the western territories was “to keep it lily white for all time”.

The only reason why Southern racists wanted expand slavery in the western territories was to ensure the institution for all time.

673 posted on 03/18/2013 3:47:08 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: JCBreckenridge
Lincoln issued in his inaugural address that there would be no negotiations.

He also said that the only way there would be a war was if the South started it. Would you agree he was right there as well?

Bad faith, yes, but not on the part of the Confederacy.

Not really. There was no interest in negotiations on the part of the Southerners either.

674 posted on 03/18/2013 3:49:46 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

According to whom? You.

Lincoln wasn’t willing to negotiate. The Confederates were.


675 posted on 03/18/2013 4:20:52 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: 0.E.O

Yes, they did. I already cited where Virginia opted to meet with Lincoln prior to signing the articles of secession. Lincoln refused. Then Lincoln doubled down, and Virginia joined the rest of the Confederacy.


676 posted on 03/18/2013 4:22:22 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
According to whom? You.

Well which paragraph are you referring to? If you mean that Lincoln said there would be a war only if the South started it then it's right there in his first inaugural, which you claim to have read. If you're referring to my statement that there was no interest in negotiations on the part of the South then that is right there in plain words as well, in Davis's letter to Lincoln introducing his minions. They were there to deliver an ultimatum; recognition of Confederate independence or nothing. And had Lincoln surrendered to their demands then they might be willing to talk, but only if it was a subject of interest to them. I doubt paying for anything would have fallen under that, because an admission that they were willing to pay would also be an admission that they were wrong to take property and repudiate debt in the first place. Wouldn't it?

677 posted on 03/18/2013 4:33:01 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: JCBreckenridge
Yes, they did. I already cited where Virginia opted to meet with Lincoln prior to signing the articles of secession.

What you're neglecting to mention is that Davis refused to participate in Virginia's peace convention as well, while Salmon Chase did attend. So stop hanging it all on Lincoln; by your own definition Davis wasn't interested either.

678 posted on 03/18/2013 4:39:21 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: JCBreckenridge
I live in a nation that just finished executing a third of my peers.

When did it do that? You must have us confused with Kampuchea.

679 posted on 03/18/2013 6:06:55 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: 0.E.O

The South offered to negotiate the terms under which they would leave the Union, the division of property if you will, with the implicit understanding that if the terms weren’t acceptable they would “appeal to arms,” as they frequently put it. IOW, it was a negotiation at gunpoint.

The South did NOT offer to negotiate WHETHER they would leave the Union. The Deep South considered the mere election of Lincoln to be so offensive they could not remain in the Union no matter what he said or did or agreed to. They were very clear on this point.

One of the issues that never seems to be discussed is that of division of the territories. The South had very specifically and intentionally fractured the Democratic Party over the issue of access to the territories, and now we are supposed to believe they would just accept the confining of slavery to the existing southern states, the whole issue over which they had fought for the last decade?

It seems much more likely to me that had the northern states agreed to allow the erring sisters to depart in peace, they would have started demanding a division of the territories, and quite possibly access to the Pacific via California.

IOW, I think a powerful group in the CSA had demands in mind that would have made war unavoidable short of utter and abject surrender by the Union. Of course, the same group had delusions (and that is exactly what they were) of the South conquering a slave empire at least to Panama and possibly Tierra del Fuego.


680 posted on 03/18/2013 6:21:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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