Posted on 02/09/2013 4:35:56 PM PST by Gamecock
Edited on 02/09/2013 5:33:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Sidney Myers will spend the next 18 months in a federal prison for 15 minutes worth of sex videos he made with his teenage girlfriend.
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My sympathies.
Exactly, wasn’t that long ago; but people, even here, don’t seam to realize the disconnect. This would have been nothing but a shaming moment in those years past.
It’s not even a ‘for the internet’ thing. It could be recorded for personal use, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t get out one way, shape or form. Problem is still too many laws, not enough common sense and an over-bearing, hyper sensitive judicial system.
IMHO, it’s why their is such disdain for anything gov’t. The punishment is so out of whack for the ‘crime’.
As a Catholic, I’m frustrated by the fathers stubbornness and lack of commitment to the principles of his faith, even when approached by a priest.
I salute you for attempting a fine Christian solution to a sensitive situation. Plenty of good, God fearing people have been born out of wedlock. That child deserved a chance to live.
Interesting issues here. By state law in SC the girlfriend was over the age of consent and therefore they were free and clear (I think...I don’t know if Myers being 20 had any bearing or not, but the age of consent in SC is apparently 16). This was a *Federal* child pornography law that Myers (allegedly) broke.
I also find it interesting that he phoned a bomb threat into his high school, all of which took place within the state boundaries of South Carolina...yet again the FEDERAL judge gave him a concurrent 18-month sentence in a FEDERAL prison for it. That perplexes me more than the pornography charge. How is that a Federal matter? That should be a purely state matter, end of story.
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This is ripped out of context (John 8) where a woman is taken in adultery. The law required both guilty parties to be taken, not just the woman, and stoned. And the accusers were required to cast the first stone. Accusers who failed to follow the law's due process were not "without sin." In fact their perjury could result in them being stoned, the same punishment they were endeavoring to engineer against the lone woman. God (Jesus) was not abrogating the crime and punishment for adultery. He was requiring that his law be followed to the letter.
The young people here are guilty of fornication, sex outside of marriage by the unmarried. God requires that the unbetrothed young woman's father be compensated monetarily and that she be married to the offender (Deuteronomy 22:28,29).
Jesus himself said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets: I am come not to destroy, but to fulfill." (Maatthew 5:17). Fulfill, not destroy. Belief on the Lord Jesus Christ, which results in salvation and eternal life protects from the 2nd death (See Revelation 20 and 21), but does not free the party from the consequences of sin in this life. For certain crimes the flesh will be handed over to destruction, but the new creature will never die.
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (John 11:25,26)
Do you?
It was not out of context, it was perfectly matched to context.
The person that I posted it to was performing exactly like the Pharisees to whom it was originally said.
Yeshua has paid the penalty for all sins, then and now, and the death penalty demanded by that FReeper is way out of line, and he knows it.
I showed how the context of John 8 is VERY different from the case at hand. I even showed a Bible verse which matches the context.
The person that I posted it to was performing exactly like the Pharisees to whom it was originally said.
Again, the accusers in John 8 were misapplying the law about ADULTERY, not fornication. It does not match. Equating him to a Pharisee is an insult, as if anyone who is exercising judgment is a Pharisee. Anyone who points out sin is automatically labelled "legalistic", "judgmental", as if we are sinning in practicing judgment. This is another misconstruing of scripture (Matthew 7) where people read 7:1 and stop. They should read the entire chapter, or at least until verses :4 and :5 where we discover that to be effective in judgment, we must not be hypocrites.
Yeshua has paid the penalty for all sins, then and now, and the death penalty demanded by that FReeper is way out of line, and he knows it.
Jesus is the atonement for sin, but people will find that there are consequences for the sins they commit in this life. For example, the murderer on the cross next to Jesus was still crucified for his sins in the flesh--Jesus did not transport him down from his cross. But since the thief believed, he was spared Hell and will be spared the 2nd death (the lake of fire). All my sins are forgiven, but that doesn't mean I can blow off sin that grace may abound. Paul addresses this at length in Romans 6. Christ said, If we love him, we will keep his commandments (John 14:15, 21).
I traced the thread responses backwards: ->42->38->22->8->3->1. I missed any mention of "death penalty." His use of the term "kiddie porn" was the only thing I can see that might be construed as over the top. Apparently Federal law construes it as such. But the video was clearly not "a family video" or "a memento" as you want to portray it, minimize it. It was a lurid documenting of her shame which this young woman could only regret, not share with her "family".
What you have shown is that you, like Geron, who wants the death penalty for this “offence” that is really between two people and their messiah, are a Corinthian, and thus require the nourishment of sincere milk.
1Cor ch 6 deals with your problem, and will set you on a path to prepare to “judge the angels.”
It’s a wicked sin. How dare you dismiss it. The law is still valid.
“Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. we establish the law.” (Romans 3:31)
I guess you don’t strive to understand the full counsel of God’s Word, but pick and choose to your liking.
You’ve never met Yeshua.
Your bitter grudge is not his way. Secular law cannot address the spiritual.
Please tell me, what must I do to be saved?
Your bitter grudge is not his way
What bitter grudge? Calling sin a sin? Jesus was more than a little upset by fornication.
Not withstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduces my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts; and I will give unto everyone of you according to your works.
That is my Lord who chastises those he loves, calling sin sin, and rewarding those who continue in sin accordingly. You should meet him. Read your Bible.
You do not define “fornication” for Yeshua.
Perhaps you embrace secular marriage as YHVH’s marriage, but there is no Biblical evidence to support that. Man’s laws do not override YHVH’s laws.
Jezebel has absolutely no relevence to this case, and you know it. This couple considered themselves to be one, and man’s law seeks to divide them.
Be careful, lest YHVH gives unto you according to your works.
He called in a bogus Bomb threat? Guilty. He videoed a 16yo girl have sex? Guilty, justice served.
The Bible (the word of God) defines what fornication is— it is sex outside of marriage when neither party is married. Adultery is sex outside of marriage when one or both parties are married to another. (Matthew 5:32 illustrates the difference.)
I asked what must I do to be saved, an opportunity for you to present the gospel, to introduce me to Jesus Christ. I thought you’d jump at the chance.
I would have answered with the verses:
Romans 3:23 — admit that you are a sinner
Romans 6:23a — understand the wages of sin is death
Revelation 20:14,15 — the lake of fire is the 2nd death
Revelation 21:8 — all sinners have their part in the lake of fire
Romans 5:8 — While we were yet sinners hrist died for us
Acts 16:30,31— salvation is by faith
(John 3:16, 3:18, 3:36; Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 4:4,5) — salvation is by faith in his finished work, not in our works
Romans 6:23b — salvation is everlasting life
(Ephesians 1:13,14; John 10:29, John 5:24, john11:25; 1 John 5:10,11) — salvation cannot be lost; if one believes it can be lost, he is still trusting in his own works and has called God a liar
Romans 10:13 — ask God to save you
You characteristically missed placing the first one first: Believe.
If you truly believe (that means believe all that Yeshua said, and ALL of his word) the rest falls in place without using your filthy rags in place of the real thing.
He gave us two commandments, one of which you resist, because love gets in the way of your bitter accusations that make you feel so superior to all those retched sinners.
If you are one of his elect, the Father will introduce you to his son, when the time comes; there is really nothing that I can do to sway you, you are busy being your own savior.
Both of them engaged in the perversion and both of them should be deemed registered sex offenders. They both knew they weren’t married,
You don't share the gospel with people, do you? You do not have a working understanding of the gospel. Maybe this is the first time you've heard it or seen it layed out in a way to confront the false beliefs of the unbelieving.
You do not understand how much God hates sin. His justice demands death (Romans 6:23a). "But while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." God was willing to pay for your penalty, but you can only appropriate his atonement by faith. This is the one thing you must do: believe. But you must know that there is a sin problem, or else you will not be moved to address sin in your life and realize that you need a Saviour. You can't compensate for sin my "living a good life." It's too late ("He that would keep the law, yet offend it in one point, is guilty of all." James 2:10). Your only hope is placing your faith and trust in the Saviour, in his atoning work of death on the cross. God will count your faith as righteousness. ("Abraham believed God, and counted it unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 4:4,5)
He gave us two commandments, one of which you resist, because love gets in the way of your bitter accusations that make you feel so superior to all those retched sinners.
Your railing accusations are so off the mark. The two fornicators are not Christians. If they die in their sins, they will spend eternity in the lake of fire. It is not loving to be silent. It is loving to confront them with what the future holds for the unsaved. It is loving to share the gospel with them.
God hates fornication. He hates it when Christians commit it. Here is how Paul handled a notorious case in 1st Corinthians:
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken from among you. For I verily, as absent in the body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath done this deed, In the name of our Loud Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavenend. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with the old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (1 Corinthians 5:1-8)
Paul commands that this brother be "delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh." Paul is upset that these people are not mourning his sin. Paul characterizes them as "puffed up" because they are ignoring blatant sin. You accuse me of "feelings of superiority" for pointing out sin. It is those who give fornication a pass that are puffed up.
If you are one of his elect, the Father will introduce you to his son, when the time comes; ....
This explains it all. You don't share the gospel with people, because you are a Calvinist. Calvinism is a wicked false doctrine that will consign many to hell, because you remain silent. The blood of the unsaved will be on your hands, if you fail to warn them:
If thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. (Ezekiel 33:8,9)
Not loving.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! (But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?) So then faith cometh by hearning, and hearing the word of God." (Romans 10:13-17)
Bullshit. In addition to the fact that she was underage (aside from the whole bomb threat thing), they were not married. That is, you know, fornication? A pretty grave sin. Whether they want to consider themselves a couple or not, they aren't.
"it was a family video, a memento. It was not circulated or sold."
Good grief, are you serious? Remind me to never watch family videos with you.
I do not attempt to “share” the gospel with those that exude rejection thereof.
Your open volition to exercise Yeshua’s perogative of judgement classifies you.
>> “In addition to the fact that she was underage” <<
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LOL! - So was Rebekka; she was 13.
You unbelievers keep on trying to apply man’s standards to YHVH’s kingdom.
No cigar.
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