Posted on 01/14/2013 8:51:31 PM PST by SeekAndFind
What's the most interesting part of this? That he's reaching out to touch a third-rail issue, or that he's ducking behind one of his biggest rivals for the 2016 nomination to do it?
Go figure that a guy who was part of a ticket that lost by nearly 50 points among Latinos is eager to rehab on immigration:
Senator Rubio is exactly right on the need to fix our broken immigration system. I support the principles he’s outlined: modernization of our immigration laws; stronger security to curb illegal immigration; and respect for the rule of law in addressing the complex challenge of the undocumented population. Our future depends on an immigration system that works.
He's not just paying lip service to the issue. Dem Rep. Luis Gutierrez, who once said that his only loyalty is to the immigrant community, met with Ryan last month to talk immigration and had encouraging things to say:
“What we did was just kind of catch up,” Gutierrez told me. Ryan and Gutierrez decided they want to “explore opportunities to work together.” Gutierrez, one of the House leaders on immigration issues — who has kept constant pressure on President Barack Obama to do more — is crossing the aisle as Republicans need very much to woo the fast growing number of Hispanic voters — who in large part rejected the Romney/Ryan ticket…
Not well known, Gutierrez noted, is that he and Ryan share some history: In 2005, Ryan was a co-sponsor of bipartisan and bi-cameral comprehensive immigration reform legislation carried in the House by Gutierrez and Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). “It wasn’t like it was a long line of Republicans supporting it. He’s always supported immigration reform,” Gutierrez said.
The inspiration for Ryan’s Facebook post is the glowing WSJ piece over the weekend heralding Rubio’s “charge up the middle” on immigration. But Mark Krikorian’s right: There’s little difference between Rubio’s basic principles for reform and the principles laid out by the White House in that recent NYT piece about their big upcoming push for an immigration bill. Here’s Rubio:
Politically hardest is the question of the up to 12 million illegals currently here. Mr. Rubio’s proposal allows for adults who overstayed their visa or sneaked in to come into the open.
“Here’s how I envision it,” he says. “They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check.” Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. “They would be fingerprinted,” he continues. “They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”
Legal status could lead to citizenship eventually, although Rubio doesn’t specify how long eventually might be. Now here’s the White House plan:
The White House will argue that its solution for illegal immigrants is not an amnesty, as many critics insist, because it would include fines, the payment of back taxes and other hurdles for illegal immigrants who would obtain legal status, the officials said.
The president’s plan would also impose nationwide verification of legal status for all newly hired workers; add visas to relieve backlogs and allow highly skilled immigrants to stay; and create some form of guest-worker program to bring in low-wage immigrants in the future.
As I recall, the bills championed by Bush and McCain six years ago also had provisions about fines, back taxes, etc. Any comprehensive plan has to: An unconditional amnesty would be too politically toxic to pass, but so would a bill that relegated illegals to perpetual second-class status by categorically refusing to grant eventual citizenship to them. Whatever ends up passing Congress will have a multi-step amnesty as part of it, which should be perfectly fine with Democrats. If they need to wait a few years for all of those new votes to show up at the polls, that’s okay; if they can get a bill passed and then chip away at it with court challenges in order to speed up the citizenship process, even better. The interesting thing here is why Ryan’s so eager to hug Rubio on it. I assume it’s because it’s arguably the least risky move he can make ahead of 2016. If he comes out strong for “enforcement first” and rejects any amnesty talk until there have been measurable improvements in border security, he’ll be hammered for compounding the GOP’s problems with Latinos, which makes him theoretically unviable in the general election. If he does the opposite and emerges on Rubio’s left by pushing a less conditional amnesty, now he’s suddenly vulnerable in the primary as a RINO. He knows that Rubio’s destined to be the Republican face of whatever happens in Congress and he also knows that conservatives will tread lightly in criticizing Rubio for whatever position he ends up taking lest they slip even further with Latinos in 2016, so Ryan’s doing the prudent thing — letting Rubio serve as lightning rod while he signals that he’s at least as open-minded and reformist on this issue as his rival is.
FUPR
FUMR
The GOP is dead to me.
The administrative merging of the North American Union is well underway. There is de-facto free migration. The “entertainment industry” is pushing cultural invasion. La Raza is in the White House.
30,000 drones, hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition for domestic use, “executive orders” demanding our disarmament... are people ever going to wake the hell up and discard the D/R party? They are the authors of our nation’s death. They must be torn out by the roots and destroyed.
Are you ignoring History?
President Reagan gave amnesty to ALL illegals. And it was said exactly same then, as you are saying now, this is it, no more amnesty.
Guess what ACTUALLY happened.....11 million to 28 million more showed up (no one knows exact count because illegals do not register).
Learn from history. Blanket amnesty has not worked.
LEGAL Work permits is probably the only workable solution. See my post above.
Is there any REAL difference between Democrats and RINOs?
Perhaps not in your lifetime, certainly not in my lifetime. I am taking the only practical and workable path...to try to keep pushing the current party apparatus in the right direction.
3rd party is a wet dream. Waste of precious energy and resources.
I see nothing wrong with Ryan’s points.
It seems no conservative is allowed to say the word “immigration” these days.
doesn’t seem like it most of the time
I’d rather have mine enemies clearly marked, know what I mean?
Re: “I see nothing wrong with Ryan’s points.”
New immigrant citizens vote 80% for the Democrat Party.
If the Obama-Rubio-Ryan plan wins, Conservatives are dead.
The 11 million are legally entitled to import their parents, siblings, and nieces and nephews.
According to the Census Bureau, each new immigrant citizen will import 2.1 family members within 10 years.
The “11 million” will be “34 million” in ten years.
Did I mention that new immigrant citizens vote 80% for the Democrat Party?
Legal status could lead to citizenship eventually, although Rubio doesn’t specify how long eventually might be.
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Yeah doing the paperwork for 30 MILLION illegal aliens could hold thingsa up..
printing the DR, voting cards, EBT etc...
say a whole week...
Hmmmmmmmm
that should have been DL not DR
as in drivers license
we warned you till we were quite blue in the face...
Two opportunists down. Next!
Rubio and Ryan both embraced the dark side. Putting race and ‘feelings’ and political calculation ahead of enforcing the law. Putting the desires of foreign citizens who chose to break the law over Americans who have to clean up the mess.
Thus proving that you aren’t impacted by illegal immigration and you could care less about those who are.
Ryan was never a godsend on budgets because his widely hailed plan (talk show hosts, Fox News etc.) envisioned a balanced budget ten plus years out.
We need an immediate downsizing of the government and the budget.
Ten years plus out is a political trick because the mess will get worse before then with austerity kicking in like in Greece and Spain.
Ryan is a business as usual RINO politician.
When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?
Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.
Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.
Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .
So, “Mr. personality” has an idea of his own, or is it?
Well, isn’t that something? He’s certainly cut from the same bolt of cloth as most of the GOP elite and goes along to get along.
Now we know why mitt “the other kennedy” romney picked ryan... he is just a “mini me” of the progressive loser.
LLS
I can’t believe how you’ve drunken the lib koolaid.
Do you really think if you give them some sort of legalizing work permit they will suddenly start paying taxes, stop stealing from our social services, and start voting legally?
If you believe that, you, sir are an utter fool.
They are not here to play by the rules. They are here to work under the table and to reap as much as they can from social services and tax rebates the DNC gives them.
And let me redirect your attention to the fact that they are breaking the law. What you propose is to reward them for that.
What other law-breakers should we reward because they are already ‘here’ and breaking the law? How about the drug dealers? How about tax cheats? How about the car thieves? All of them steal from society in one way or another, just as the illegals do.
And what about how UNFAIR (to use that lib buzzword) it is to those who come here, work hard, work legally, pay their taxes, and go through the legal channels to become citizens or ‘legal workers’? Are you really going to slap their honesty in the face with your pathetic logic and spinelessness?
If you do, do you know what the result will be?
Even more illegals from other countries who say, “Why the hell should I go through the legal process. I’ll just slip in illegally, reap all the benefits I can, and then they’ll just make me legal.”
Brilliant.
I can’t believe with the ridiculous unemployment rate that we have...especially among recent college grads and lower-tiered workers, that you are saying it’s a good idea to legalize an illegal workforce.
We need to punish those who hire illegal aliens to the point that they are no longer financially rewarding for the employers or the illegal aliens.
Once we do that, the influx of the illegals will slow and our unemployed can start picking up those jobs.
And no right to vote. No voting for the amnesty illegals.
That would expose the hypocrisy.
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