Posted on 01/10/2013 11:06:56 AM PST by Perseverando
Normally, I don’t to the vanity thing, but I think this “Glenn Beck Plan” needs to be Freeper analyzed and dissected.
First let me say, Glenn Beck has done a great service to America and I really appreciate his Tea Party, patriotic events and leadership. I thought his TV program was fantastic. I enjoy listening to his serious radio discussions, but he and the gang get a little too rambunctious and off the wall at times. That said:
Did anyone else hear Beck this morning talking options for dealing with an Obama gun control and possible gun confiscation effort? What am I missing with this plan?
Frankly, Beck makes me a little nervous sometime with some of his rants, and this was one.
I was multitasking, reading FR, checking the market and halfheartedly listening to Beck in the background. At around 11:00 AM EST, Beck and crew are talking about Obama and the gun control gang and he starts talking about what to do if they begin actively confiscating guns. His planned for resistance to tyranny is to overwhelm the legal/prison the system. ??????????
As I understood Beck: If they come for your guns we should let them arrest all of us, and overwhelm the system. I guess he thinks the legal and penal system can’t handle all of us if we do the MLK/Gandhi peaceful resistance technique. Kumbaya!!
Let me walk through what I think Beck was suggesting we do (as I understood him.)
BECK PLAN
The Feds come to the door and ask about your gun possession.
You admit you have them, but they can’t have them. You affirm your 2nd Amendment rights and tell them to arrest you.
We all do this and grind the legal system to a rapid halt. They can’t arrest everyone can they?
Beck says: To resist with force in numbers would guarantee that we lose. .
He also says: To peacefully resist in mass, we win by breaking the system. .
Will this plan somehow ensure that law and order, respect for private property and the Constitution are miraculously re-established?
Let me propose an alternative theory on how this might work out in Realville and why Beck’s scenario fails if firearms owners are foolish enough to try this.
The Feds realize quickly that they can’t fill up all the gulags with all the peaceful gun control resisters. So they change the collection technique.
Flexible Obama Confiscation Plan
Arrive at suspected noncompliant gun owner’s home.
Search warrant in hand, 3 -4 LEO’s question owner on possession.
Law respecting/abiding gun owner admits/denies he has undeclared/unregistered gun & asserts 2nd Amendment rights.
Arrest him, “search & destroy mission” in gun owner’s domicile. Terrorize family.
Collect firearms, ammo, etc. .
Gun owner goes to jail for day or 2 until substantial bail is met. .
Big legal bills for attorney and court date. .
Quick, simple trial for “open & shut” case on illegal possession. .
How about a fine of $5,000 per firearm, suspended sentence. .
Felony criminal conviction on his record. Loss of right to own/possess firearms in future. Loss of voting rights. Loss of certain employment opportunities, etc., etc. .
Finally, no guns, no freedom, no money, no job. Just Obama and his thuggorcracy making the criminals out of law abiding, patriotic American citizens..
Should I have been listening to Beck a little more closely? What am I missing? Do Obama and his thuggocracy all of a sudden begin to play by the rules and respect the rule of law?
Beck’s idea makes sense if you add one component; have a group like the NRA be ready to file a lawsuit against the government for each and every arrest. Use each arrest as a way to challenge the legality of the law. Overwhelm the government with lawsuits against it.
In my opinion, they’d make an example of a few ‘regular Joe’s’ as per your analysis (fines, felony conviction, etc.) and publicize with the Obamamedia/Dem spin machine, something they are very good at .... many folks would give up their guns after that. It won’t be a mass confiscation ... they’ll pick some good, decent, mainstream folks and as I said, make horrific examples of them ... “THIS could happen to YOU”.
Glenn is essentially saying that there are more gun owners than the justice system can process and imprison. He is saying to overwhlem the system and in a peaceful manner knowing that we have the law on our side.
He is desperately afraid of any sort of violent conflict, because he believes such a conflict favors the side of tyranny.
He may be right on that, but I am not going to go to prison because I obeyed the constitution.
I’m not going to put my fate in the hands of John Roberts.
I’m not going to pay lawyers.
I am simply not going to give in to tyranny. Come Hell or high water, or death.
It’s dangerous to only half-listen some times.
Was he doing one of his very sarcastic pieces?
Several times, I’ve thought, “I hope there aren’t any 1st-time listeners out there!” because, as a watcher/listener, I KNOW he’s taking a 180 position to show some absudity.
I’m growing weary of Beck’s sanity. The man has gathered millions of dollars and followers, and he’s advocating what might be best for his family given the situation. I’d like to see the ATF agents make it up his driveway past the gate after ringing at the video console. If it were me, I’d never let them past that point. End of story.
Watch the news carefully. The government thugs aren’t stupid and they know that another Waco or Ruby Ridge under this administration’s watch will set off a firestorm of backlash. The Internet media, blogs, etc. were non-existent back in the 1990s. Nowadays EVERYONE has cameras and microphones, and they can be used to defend a person and upload government thuggery to the Internet quicker than those agents can rifle through your belongings.
Also, Beck has plenty of money to afford exorbitant bail. And make no mistake that the government will make bail unaffordable for a majority of Americans.
I’m sorry and sad to say that the only defense against this type of tyranny is an offense against the thugs who try to enforce it. At some point the enforcer numbers will dwindle and no one is going to volunteer to become target practice for a militia of volunteer riflemen.
I heard it ....he takes the peaceful resistance thing to an extreme nonsensical level ..it’s almost comical its so absurd ....
I guess Beck doesn’t go for the Alex Jones/Jesse Ventura bit about the build-up of citizen confinement centers throughout the US. If those guys are right in their view, filling up facilities would be the feds’ last worry.
Guess we’d need more than a few folks with a martyr complex with extra time on their hands who have great faith in their ability to reason with their cell mate, Bubba, and convince him of the importance of respecting one’s personal space.</sarc>
Beck was likely being serious. He’s using the Alinsky tactics against them, but sadly he doesn’t realize that overwhelming the system won’t stop them from going through with this. It’s not a scare tactic to which they’d respond.
Interesting to me, because Beck’s always said that the only language these people understand is offense. We’ll need to overwhelm them in numbers to make our final stand. Yes, many of us will die in the process, but so many others will live free for our efforts.
To me, that is the greatest gift I could give my wife and children.
I didn’t listen to Beck today. From what you describe it sounds like he is advocating some type of Cloward-Piven type strategy where the system is overwhelmed and implodes.
I see how C-P could work with our economic system, we’re experiencing Obama’s attempt of it now.
But applying it to our justice system seems like a very dangerous proposition. If that’s what Beck is preaching, he needs to back off and think about what he’s saying.
What kumbaya crap. I have a better idea.
1. Identify target.
2. Aim
3. Fire
4. Repeat as necessary.
So you understood Beck to intentionally being absurd? He wasn't actually advocating peaceful resistance?
That's not the way I took it.
and I forgot the best part of his Beck’s peaceful resistance at all costs idea this morning ....
he started into it not 2 minutes after telling a story about a kid having to put his own father on a train to Auschwitz ....
Lead by example.
He'll be on air with those two assclown sidekicks of his, making fun of Alex Jones and other people he deems as "whackos".
If Beck is serious then his insanity is worse than I had imagined.
oh BS ..he was 100% serious ...I listen to him every day and I know when he is doing the absurd thing ....he goes on these MLK, Gandhi rants where peaceful resistance at all costs is the only way to win ....and this is his philosophy and has stated it 100s of times
Don’t want to over do it on the Beck bashing today, but maybe he was off his meds?
How about demand a trial by jury and make damned sure the jury is aware of nullification?
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