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Some final thoughts on the gun issue
self | 12/17/12 | self

Posted on 12/17/2012 3:58:33 AM PST by Jerrybob

We're ( The U.S.) going in the direction of Europa in every other facet of our existence. This is most definitely the next step and those of us responsible gun owners that revolt or even balk will be the lunatics in grave need of sensitivity training, intense scrutiny, and re-education at the VERY least. I wonder what type of psychotropic drugs this guy was on. You DO realize that there is a very small percent of all of the shootings of this type in which the perpetrators were NOT under the care of a mental healthcare provider. I say re-direct the focus to the dope-prescribing doctors that are with impunity short circuiting the natural hard-wiring of the brain and put THEM on trial.

After an impaired patron has left a cocktail lounge and has become the cause of a horrific automobile accident, we've seen bartenders on trial for negligence due to "Over serving the customer". Somehow physicians that intentionally toy with and alter the internal workings of the brain would seem to be a more logical source of alarm.


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1 posted on 12/17/2012 3:58:42 AM PST by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob
This is another facet to this issue:

In the 1960s, the United States embarked on an innovative approach to caring for its mentally ill: deinstitutionalization. The intentions were quite humane: move patients from long-term commitment in state mental hospitals into community-based mental health treatment. Contrary to popular perception, California Governor Ronald Reagan’s signing of the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act of 196712 was only one small part of a broad-based movement, starting in the late 1950s.13

There is no shortage of these tragedies that have one common element: a person whose exceedingly odd behavior, sometimes combined with minor criminal acts, would likely have led to confinement in a mental hospital in 1960. After deinstitutionalization, these people remained at large until they killed. The criminal justice system then took them out of circulation (if they did not commit suicide), but this was too late for their victims. There is a clear statistical relationship between deinstitutionalization and murder rates. Violent crime rates rose dramatically in the 1960s, most worrisomely in the murder rate.

Deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill was one of the truly remarkable public policy decisions of the 1960s and 1970s, and yet its full impact is barely recognized by most of the public. Partly this was because the changes did not happen overnight, but took place state-by-state over two decades, with no single national event. While homelessness received enormous public attention in the early 1980s, the news media’s reluctance to acknowledge the role that deinstitutionalization played in this human tragedy meant that the public safety connection was generally invisible to the general public. The solution remains unclear, but recognizing the consequences of deinstitutionalization is the first step.

2 posted on 12/17/2012 4:08:24 AM PST by Jerrybob (Truth -- the new hate speech.)
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To: Jerrybob
"Take two now and cull a crowd in the morning . . . ."


3 posted on 12/17/2012 4:12:04 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Jerrybob

You found the real problem. They put the problem back on the streets.


4 posted on 12/17/2012 4:13:44 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Jerrybob

Get ready for a ban on ALL “assault weapons”, which means anything with a grip and semi-auto clip fed. They will try. At the very least get ready for a ban on all high capacity clips.

Feinstein files the bill this week.


5 posted on 12/17/2012 4:14:33 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Jerrybob
The insane must be allowed to do what they do, elsewise their feelings might be hurt and their self-esteem damaged.
6 posted on 12/17/2012 4:21:03 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: Jerrybob
Within hours of the unfolding of a horrific human tragedy in Connecticut, the Left began, once again, their relentless tirade against inanimate objects. This time it was guns. They continually use children to achieve their agenda of ratcheting down our freedom, one step at a time, while butchering hundreds of millions of those least able to defend themselves. Will anyone in the public arena (sorry, Freepers, this site does not qualify for that sobriquet) ask some additional questions, those questions the Left never seems to bring up?

To what degree was the perpetrator affected by his autism?

Did he smash the two computers in the house because he had just lost while playing some first person shooter multi-player online role-playing game and felt a need to get even?

Since he started by shooting his mother, was he seriously angry with her for some imagined/real issue?

Given that this mother had lived with his condition for 20 years, and that she was quoted as saying "I'm losing him," why didn't she store her firearms more securely?

Given that he was attired in tactical gear and carrying an AR-15, and that his mother wasn't in the school, why did the elementary school officials buzz him in?

Why does the state of Connecticut prevent its teachers from being able to defend the children from predators?

I suggest that the lack of these questions goes back to my first statements about control and freedom.

7 posted on 12/17/2012 4:23:04 AM PST by Pecos (Double tap: the only acceptable gun control)
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Some thoughts......are that the DEMS in DC are beginning to recognize the potential implications of their massive Federal vote fraud in November. And starting to hyperventilate in terror.


8 posted on 12/17/2012 4:23:33 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Jerrybob

After watching countless advertisements last night on TV peddling violent video games I think they should look in that direction if they want to ban something...


9 posted on 12/17/2012 4:27:41 AM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Jerrybob

Does anyone else find it sadly ironic that the same leftist who want to take away my guns in the name of saving the children support the murder of thousands of unborn infants a year all in the name of a womans right to choose? I’m still looking that “right” up in the constitution. I’ll get back to you when I find it.


10 posted on 12/17/2012 4:34:19 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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It isn’t a gun problem. It’s a mentally ill individual problem.
China bans private ownership of guns but only 3 days ago, the same day as the Sandy Hook incident, they had “A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning.”
There will always be a means to inflict horror.

Why isn’t then MSM bringing up this atrocity? Answer: Because is doesn’t fit the anti-gun agenda.


11 posted on 12/17/2012 4:37:29 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: Jerrybob

When I was a teenager – before the Kennedy assassination – gun violence was relatively rare except in places like Chicago and New York City. Firearms were easy to buy, the only requirement was to be over 18. They could even be ordered from catalogues like Sears, the only requirement was to check a box on the order form affirming you were over 18.
After the assassination anti-gun laws were enacted. Gun violence increased. It seems that the more restrictive gun laws the more gun violence we have.
Before the gun grabbers ask, no – I don’t favor repealing all gun laws. Our society has crossed a line and can’t go back.


12 posted on 12/17/2012 4:42:08 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Jerrybob

How long before people who tell the gov that you have guns get a reward?

Lessons should be keep yur dam mouth shut and forget about the stupid “I lost all my guns in a boating accident” bullshit!


13 posted on 12/17/2012 4:42:17 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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Liberals have cut police budgets and tied their hands, they’ve disarmed the law abiding, and made it difficult to impossible to confine and help the perceptionally and emotionally warped (commonly called the mentally ill) and then when their policies result in a horror, whst do they want to do? More of the same.


14 posted on 12/17/2012 4:47:52 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Jerrybob
Some final thoughts on the gun issue

There are no final thoughts on the gun issue. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. And there will always be those who are intent on stripping away the God-given, unalienable rights of the people in pursuit of their own power.

15 posted on 12/17/2012 4:52:52 AM PST by EternalVigilance (God always wins.)
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To: Jerrybob

My son who is an Army Special Forces Officer reminded me that Mexico has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. How is that working out?


16 posted on 12/17/2012 5:14:12 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: EternalVigilance
There are no final thoughts on the gun issue. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. And there will always be those who are intent on stripping away the God-given, unalienable rights of the people in pursuit of their own power.

Bravo! Well said!

17 posted on 12/17/2012 5:18:33 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Jerrybob
Timothy James “Tim” McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American domestic terrorist who detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing, the attack killed 168 people and injured over 800.
He did not use a gun.
The cure to this problem is harsh, but effective.
The parents and siblings of the parents and all related offspring, must be medically disabled from spawning children.
In this way they will be removed from the gene pool and with in a few generations, these things will stop occurring.
Psychology: The Science of Peace.
18 posted on 12/17/2012 5:22:59 AM PST by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: R. Scott
After the assassination anti-gun laws were enacted. Gun violence increased. It seems that the more restrictive gun laws the more gun violence we have.

You may be blaming the ever more restrictive gun laws for violence that would have occurred due to other forces, such as the rise of the drug culture (just one factor among many). But certainly, gun control laws have never done anything to stem the violence. They're just the easy, quick responses to these bloody atrocities that our politicians keep in their back pockets - ever so handy when the cry goes up to "Pass a law... ANY law!"

19 posted on 12/17/2012 5:35:31 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: TheRhinelander

Wonder how long that bill has been siting on her desk just waiting for the time when she could do the Walter Houston dance on the graves of children?


20 posted on 12/17/2012 5:51:31 AM PST by IMR 4350
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