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The left is blaming everything except the cause of these tragedies. Over the coming months, as DiFi and Schumer and Blumberg and all the rest try to exploit these for their own nefarious purposes, it will be important to at least attempt to inject awareness into the debate. There is much more at the link, and is well worth reading the whole thing.
1 posted on 12/16/2012 2:07:23 PM PST by absalom01
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It is Cloward–Piven strategy

2 posted on 12/16/2012 2:27:08 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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Just review the list of side effects of the SSRI anti-depressants that ALL of these people are prescribed: “HOMICIDAL TENDENCIES”

Its the damn drugs people!

3 posted on 12/16/2012 2:29:23 PM PST by Captain7seas (Fire Jane Lubchenco)
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An interesting FR thread from 7/20/2011

Deinstitutionalization of the Mentally Ill
4 posted on 12/16/2012 2:38:26 PM PST by SpaceBar
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Somebody locked up in a mental institution who doesn’t kill anybody doesn’t make for a good story. Now, a fun guy receiving electro-shock therapy that fries his brain, that wins oscars. Even if it’s fiction. ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOOS NEST was fiction....like Peter Pan.


7 posted on 12/16/2012 2:48:11 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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I read the entire article and it’s fascinating. It’s hard to conclude our “humane” approach has been good for society OR the mentally ill.

I read a lot about asylums a couple of years ago while doing some research on old and disappearing institutional buildings. There was an entire group devoted to the architecture of asylums designed by a Dr. Kirkbride that stressed open air and spaces ease of access and ability to watch patients. Very beautiful and creepy buildings- Gothic.

Sadly as is often the case- many of the staff and doctors running these places were sick themselves but there were countless that were compassionate and did their best to comfort and help the sickest among us.

I don’t know if our culture has the guts to even consider permanent hospitalization for those beyond help- of the sort the article you linked describes. We will continue to pay the price for not finding a way to deal with them though.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 3:00:07 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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The 80’s is when the children of the generation that rejected the traditional family model grew up. They are what you can expect from feminist mothers and fathers that lack self control and a sense of duty.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 3:05:45 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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Maybe Obama blaming your neighbors for what you don’t have set this guy off. Have we ever had a more divisive person in power outside of the President of Iran in our lifetimes?

Violent videos, Obama’s mouth, a teen getting hyper-sexual due to testosterone hitting in the teens, a stupid now dead mother giving shooting lessons to a mental deficient and you get all this death.

We need to either institutionalize them, castrate them hormonally or lobotomize them.
IMO chemical castration would make them much more docile if you catch them in their early teens.


11 posted on 12/16/2012 3:21:23 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Maybe Obama blaming your neighbors for what you don’t have set this guy off. Have we ever had a more divisive person in power outside of the President of Iran in our lifetimes?

Violent videos, Obama’s mouth, a teen getting hyper-sexual due to testosterone hitting in the teens, a stupid now dead mother giving shooting lessons to a mental deficient and you get all this death.

We need to either institutionalize them, castrate them hormonally or lobotomize them.
IMO chemical castration would make them much more docile if you catch them in their early teens.


12 posted on 12/16/2012 3:21:35 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The only problem with this article is that the author has no idea what he is talking about.

There have been mass murders since the turn of the century.

There have been fewer in the 2000’s than in the 1990’s.

There is another thread on this very subject here on FR.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 3:33:16 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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While homelessness received enormous public attention in the early 1980s, the news media’s reluctance to acknowledge the role that deinstitutionalization played in this human tragedy meant that the public safety connection was generally invisible to the general public.

This sentence should have been crafted a bit better. Maybe it is saying that deinstitutionalization led to homelessness (which is true), maybe it is using the media reaction to homelessness as a contrast to the way the media has dealt with deinstitutionalization. It's hard to tell.

15 posted on 12/16/2012 3:33:54 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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Interesting read.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 3:39:45 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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Interesting read.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 3:39:46 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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21 posted on 12/16/2012 3:51:51 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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There is a clear statistical relationship between deinstitutionalization and murder rates. Violent crime rates rose dramatically in the 1960s, most worrisomely in the murder rate.

Unfortunately for this "relationship," the murder rate rose through 1980 and has since declined. We are now just about back to where we were in 1960.

Interesting table: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

25 posted on 12/16/2012 4:11:32 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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The story here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2969335/posts?page=1

says this kid was on Fanapt, a schizophrenia drug.

Unsurprised.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 4:35:10 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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We are dealing more and more with the demonic here.


29 posted on 12/16/2012 4:56:12 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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Congress needs to open up hearings on the treatment of mental illness. This has to be a national discussion.


33 posted on 12/16/2012 6:15:28 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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The woman was becoming paranoid by the collapse of the American economy under Obama and was doing a survival thing and spread the paranoia and gun skills to her child.

Obama’s fault more than anything from what I am reading.

39 posted on 12/17/2012 7:34:04 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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I believe that the points made in your posting have validity--as do some of the points made by others in the thread, above. But I would seriously urge that many of these things are more symptoms, than the basic cause of the underlying malady. (Now, by "symptoms" I do no mean to imply that they are not in fact, seriously aggravating factors in the general unraveling of the social order in many American communities.)

Basically, we have been Losing America's Multi-Generational Purpose. Loss of a natural functional sense of purpose will effect different psychological types in different ways--all destructive, but not all violent. But look at some of the clues that we can discern about the origins of the sort of bizarre suicidal rage that we have seen--the particular targeting of religious students in some of the atrocities; the targeting, here, of the most innocent groups in the school--those still not corrupted by the vices of our society.

Is there not evidence of a satanic rage against those who still offer the possibility of some form of redemption for our people?

In psychologically healthier times; times when men defined their manhood in terms of a Chivalric code--where they measured themselves against others in their willingness to protect women & children, for a clear example of the point; did we have, even among the most irrational or debased, these same tendencies--or, if we did, to the same degree?

All sentient beings, both human and the more intelligent species of animals, display characteristics, which today are demonized by a cultural war on nature; in the human case, actually coupled with a totally insane war, not only on normal sex roles, but on public displays related to Faith & the acknowledgement that we are answerable for our conduct. Is this creating a void, which drives certain personality types over the edge; that what we witness is the insane rage of those denied constructive focus?

It is certainly not caused by the availability of tools, that others maintain to defend family, property & heritage. The most "successful" sociopathic atrocities, for that matter, involved not guns, but fertilizer, or boxcutters & airplanes.

William Flax

40 posted on 12/17/2012 8:17:46 AM PST by Ohioan
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Ping for reference, important and useful thoughts here, both in the article and the posts.


41 posted on 12/17/2012 8:46:42 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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