But, that's after they stop lowering the requirements for females to graduate from BCT.
Posted on 11/27/2012 12:55:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The American Civil Liberties Union sued on Tuesday on behalf of four U.S. servicewomen to challenge a longstanding policy barring women from thousands of ground combat positions, citing the changing nature of warfare and fairness for career soldiers.
The civil rights group argued in a legal complaint filed in federal court in Northern California that a military policy to bar women from combat roles on the basis of gender was unconstitutional.
"Nearly a century after women first earned the right of suffrage, the combat exclusion policy still denies women a core component of full citizenship - serving on equal footing in the military defense of our nation," reads the suit, on behalf of four women soldiers who have fought in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Their career opportunities also had been limited by the policy, the women said.
The lawsuit comes as the Department of Defense has slowly been dropping such gender-based restrictions. In February, it allowed some women to serve in combat battalions, a unit of 300 to 1,000 members, and dropped restrictions on women serving in units that were required to be based with combat units.
But women are still not allowed in infantry, or in smaller units engaged in combat. Women are barred from more the 238,000 positions, the ACLU said. But in Iraq and Afghanistan, where there are no clear battle lines, women have been pulled into combat in spite of the policy, the group added.
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we’re doing mountain and Arctic warfare and we had a woman with us.
I had to write a report on how those days went to the higher ups.
She was on her period and we had an animal following us, bad news.
Out there we have to carry more than usual, she could nto carry half and the men had to carry her kit which was a disgrace but the only way to move forward on the patrols.
She was always flirting and caused some tension in the ranks .
She ran out of energy, she couldn;t even dig her own snow hole those nights which meant other men had to do her job.
It was a diseaster and I said so in my report and guess what I bet that report was ripped up because it seems some Generals and other higher ups care about their jobs and prmotions than the country or the service we serve.
Once we got back to Tromso in north Norway as a base she did nothing but flirt, caused a distraction for the men, wanted special rights and not even do her own cleaning of her kit.
We had one guy who was cleaning her kit and rifle to which I put a stop to that.
Today this day I do not know why but I swear on my life women in the front lines should not be there.
Today they still do not do the same tests as men, in the marines they only have to do one pull up, to graduate they only have to do two pulls ups.
That is a joke and then some wonder why there are more suicides in the military.
We are taking in people, women and some men who should not be in the service , let alone on the front lines.
openly serving homosexuals, cross dressers and now women who do not do the same test to get in, what a farce they have turned the military in and lets not forget the PC crap either, 170 pound women at 5 foot 4 inches getting in the infantry is a joke.
I met one marines recruiter who was nothing but a PC turd and tried to tell me how he guarded the President for 4 years and how he was qualified, \
Just what our front lines need, a Drama Queen Brigade.
In all my years, I have never seen ANY woman (including Navy dykes), as large as collegiate or pro fullbacks, guards, tackles, running backs, etc., who could block or tackle such men. I say again, if this were come to pass, I would enjoy those dykes getting creamed!
I will smile and laugh all the way to my winnings gambling on any team who has women on the scrimmage line.
Ah yes, the difficulties of promotion through 'B' Billets (DI, recruiter, Marine Security Guard, School of Infantry Instructor).
It is not uncommon to see senior enlisted (1stSgt/SgtMaj - usually not MSgt or MGySgt) with multiple 'B' billets.....the best is when they do more than one type.
We call them "Fleet Dodgers." I think being a Fleet Dodger is a requirement to be SgtMaj of the Marine Corps. Nothing says "combat leadership" and "warrior ethos" than a Drill Instructor or Recruiter ribbon.
Every year the SNCO promotion boards make generic remarks about possible reasons people were passed over. They compile their list and publish it to the Marine Corps at large so Marines know what they need to do in order to better their promotion chances.
Before, putting anything "combat" on your FitRep was a good way to get promoted. That has apparently changed. The last board made the remarks that the NCO/SNCO academies, annual rifle/pistol quals, gas chamber, swim qual and 'B' billets were going to be more heavily looked at for promotion.
This lets the Fleet Dodgers know that it is safe to come back to the Fleet as with operations winding down in A-stan they are at low risk for going. It also reminds everyone of the hell that is peacetime-MC. Just remember, it is more important to walk in a box with a sword than be able to prove leadership in combat while killing the enemy.
By the way, if all the men are forward and the chicks have more ample opportunity to go to the garrison schools (well, the worst is the NCO academies they set up in A-stan and previously Iraq) guess who stands a better chance of getting promoted?
LOL!
Spot on. Did my 20 in the 2nd Ranger Bn and SF. Never once saw a woman who could deal with 140+ lbs of kit. It sucked for me when I was in, and I’m 6’3”, and around 200lbs. Some jobs they can do, but not front line combat jobs, they’re not physically capable of it.
But, that's after they stop lowering the requirements for females to graduate from BCT.
That means I wouldn’t qualify. I haven’t been able to run well since I was 15, and I’ve never had good strength. I’d wash out of basic.
In other news, ESPN predicts there will be no female players drafted in the 2013 NFL draft!
They put the women’s base basketball team in the old men league (over 35) at one base and they never won a game. They quit after ten losses.
It will be the same in combat. No unit would want to lose to women so they would fight harder. I heard this is the reason the Israelis pulled their all female unit out of the front line. They do mostly guard duty. It was just a PR stunt.
Works for me. Put them on point. Let them “Be All They Can Be”. If they want to be combat, put them out first to get the first bullet on patrol. Then let’s see how the ACLU and feminists think about that.
All the major professional sports are separated by gender, soccer, tennis, golf, basketball, baseball, etc. The reason is men would dominate, the women would never win. The only time coed sports work is with children because the girls are bigger under a certain age.
Why in the heck our politicians and the ACLU think that combat, where you can get killed or maimed is somehow different. Women will hold their own for a while but they will get overwhelmed eventually.
In my era Navy (1975-1987), Fleet Dodgers were women on support ships who either purposefully got pregnant or whined about their female problems. At the time, it was about 5-7% of the women on support ships which the men had to take up the slack. This was before women being assigned to combat vessels, so have no idea about today.
THE most amazing thing to me is the Submarine Fleet even considering putting women on submarines. I can't see how that could possibly work with the limited space.
Women just don't have it, not matter how butch they are.
Still, I agree with the ACLU and say put them on point like every other private. Let them get full of wholes and lose their limbs on the same basis as our male military. Let them die at the same level.
They want equality...well, there it is. I've lost all interest in protecting women. They want to die and lose their eyesight, half their brains, and limbs for their country, so be it. I will respect them for doing such, but never understand why this Nation allowed such.
That is EXACTLY why the Israelis pulled their women from combat units. It simply didn't work, as hard core as Israeli women are. Hopefully, we will eventually learn, and our women are nowhere near as defensive as Israeli women.
Judge should throw it out. Executive branch authority to decide how to conduct wars.
I’m really torn on this one! On the one hand, my practical side, serving 32 years in a support role in the military, I find the mere idea of women in combat roles distressing. It is a rare women who could meet all the requirements and would still be the ultimate disruption.
On the other hand, I’ve always thought that, especially to our current terrorist enemies, whole platoons of just women with their PMS cycles synchronized could be the most terrifying weapon we could deploy. Decisions, decisions.
“The problem is that you destroy the military in doing that, you get everyone killed and we lose the war, and America ceases to exist.”
Perhaps that’s why the Obammunists are working to achieve exactly that end, right now...
“All soldiers matter, the military matters, the success or failure of the military matters, the efficiency of the military matters, the survival of the nation matters.”
You’d never know it today; the nation is dying while the military moves on. Military operations have become completely detached from civilian life; there is no rationing, even few news stories, that indicate we are at war.
First, we don’t put women in combat because a nation must win its wars. There is no 2nd place in warfare. You either win or you are conquered.
Second, real men don’t view women as cannon fodder no matter how stupid the women are behaving.
Third, men + women = sex. And sexual relationships are a force detractor not a force multiplier. The detriments range from rivalries to pregnancies to favoritism. Rivalries and favoritism cause dissension in your force. Pregnancies (generally on purpose) deplete your force as the pregnant ones are removed without replacements showing up for long periods of time, resulting in under-manned units.
Fourth, physical ability. You can carry a wounded her off the battlefield, but she can’t carry you. Again, demoralization of troops will result.
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