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So, I am looking at a new car. Perhaps the VW diesel. I drive the car and find that I am staring at computer screens. The car must have a full pc under the hood. I am told now that most do.

And I understand that for some reason beyond my understanding the cars now have wifi.

When I purchase a computer I get in there and disable, uninstall and delete items I don’t use like games…extra os and tools I won’t use.

So how do I turn off the garbage that is extra on a new car? Like Wifi? I certainly do not want my car broadcasting anything to the world?

What are people doing out there with these new cars?

Insight would be appreciated.

1 posted on 11/24/2012 6:24:48 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup

LOL.....technology shock; that’s all you are experiencing if you haven’t bought a car in a while. Don’t let the gadgetry intimidate you. Much of it is highly useful; some of it....not so much. Well designed cars have such systems with a wealth of information. Others....again, not so much. GPS, satellite radio, backup cameras....all nice. Bluetooth so you can pair your phone (use hands free), etc....not bad, but I don’t use that. Just know there’s a bit of a learning curve, but once you get the hang of it it’s really not that bad.

What it really means is the nail in the coffin of the shade tree mechanic.


2 posted on 11/24/2012 6:31:43 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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The Wi-Fi is very likely a subscription service, requiring active participation on your part. For example, the car could connect to your smartphone via bluetooth and then serve as a Wi-Fi hotspot. This would require you to actively connect and permit this connection via your smartphone.

What bothers me, to no small degree - is this opens your car to a variety of malicious attacks. A car hacker could potentially create a virus that would propagate through the Wi-FI, and infect other cars. If your car’s network is connected to the security system, or the engine/transmission controllers - a malicious hacker could cause your car to shut down, or could hack into the Wi-Fi and set it to unlock with his personal fob - thereby bypassing your key and locking system.

This whole idea of incorporating wireless connectivity and merging this network into an automobile is wrought with peril.

Some ideas are neat; for example the idea of purchasing “Upgrades” via software for your car/transmission (say, winter driving transmission settings dictated by season, exterior temperature, local weather road reports and GPS position) are very neat. But the question I do not know the answer to, is how well is the individual car protected from malicious software. Could a malicious hacker cause your engine to go to full power, the transmission to lock in drive, and lock your steering wheel? Essentially turning your car in to a ballistic weapon? I simply don’t know.


3 posted on 11/24/2012 6:34:32 PM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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What are people doing out there with these new cars?

For us, we are ignoring them. For the same reasons we ignore all the airhead smartphone crap. Fashion statements for the pierced generation.

My ten year old Subaru has a digital clock. That is as far as it needs to go. I do fiddle with the engine CPU for more power of course..............

7 posted on 11/24/2012 7:08:54 PM PST by doorgunner69
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I have a late model German car that's loaded with technology.Much of it I specifically wanted...safety features,audio system particularly.You needn't fear the technology.It might take a while to master it but it's excellent.

For example,my car has a feature...which was optional and I *very* much wanted...that fully applies the brakes when sensors in the front of the car detect that a collision is imminent.

9 posted on 11/24/2012 7:39:57 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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And BTW...I don't know how much you know about diesels but if you know little or nothing (which is true of the typical American) all I can say is that they're outstanding.Mileage is amazing,torque is too.I'm on my second one and will never again drive anything else.
10 posted on 11/24/2012 7:44:13 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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There a rule in tshooting broke hitech things..the harder the problem is to find the dumber the causes is. ....................

If the wifi bugs you get the electrical manual and ground out the antenna leads with a jumper wire...its easy to break hi tech with lo tech

14 posted on 11/24/2012 8:30:47 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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The VW trubo-diesel is an amazing machine. Great fuel economy and they run forever, needing little or nothing. Best bet on installed options is to check with the dealer and see what they can switch off while the car is connected to the diagnostics computer. There are often soft switches that the factory people have access to.
17 posted on 11/24/2012 9:56:45 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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High tech car? What could possibly go wrong? link

Another brilliant manufacturer offers "on the fly" firmware updates over the air. Really cool when your car starts an update in the middle of the night when you're driving across the desert. Somebody forgot to check to see if the vehicle was being operated before doing the upgrade.

You're about to enter a whole new world have having bad guys trying to hack your car as well as incompetent manufacturers dropping bad updates on your very expensive new toy.

19 posted on 11/25/2012 12:45:21 AM PST by Myrddin
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High tech car? What could possibly go wrong? link

Another brilliant manufacturer offers "on the fly" firmware updates over the air. Really cool when your car starts an update in the middle of the night when you're driving across the desert. Somebody forgot to check to see if the vehicle was being operated before doing the upgrade.

You're about to enter a whole new world have having bad guys trying to hack your car as well as incompetent manufacturers dropping bad updates on your very expensive new toy.

20 posted on 11/25/2012 12:45:36 AM PST by Myrddin
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My approach? I'm moving back. My next car will be a 1986 model year version of the '96 car I presently drive, and as a backup, the 1981 240d. There is an indescribably good feeling that comes with the knowledge your car has NO computers, and you can pretty much fix almost anything yourself with the tools in the trunk.

Not long ago I met a man in a marina who needed help with his twin diesels. I enjoy working on diesels and went to help him out. The problem was the "ECU" - the electronic control unit that controlled everything. A $3000 black box. To make a long story short it was simply replaced by the dealer... This was a brand new 54' boat. But... What the hell do you do when your "ECU" fails 200 miles offshore? Huh?
21 posted on 11/25/2012 1:18:21 AM PST by golux
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The real question is can you buy a car specifically asking that this stuff not be installed.

Do the “Base” modles come with out it.

I had to do a special order on my 2008 Dodge Ram 4500 dump to get manual locks, manual windows, a 6 speed manual trans, and rubber floor, with AM/FM and one CD player.

They looked at me like I was from Mars.

The more computer stuff they put in the more the Gov’t will track you for more taxes etc...

I hope there will be a way to disable any “BlackBox” things they will start puting in cars (if they have not already started doing so). Next will be taxes by the mile.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 7:25:41 AM PST by CapnJack
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Google the words ... hack car ECU 2012

Here’s one of the results, written just 3 months ago: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9229919/Car_hacking_Remote_access_and_other_security_issues

Good luck. Many people share your viewpoint/concern.


27 posted on 11/25/2012 7:44:03 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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