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You’ve posted a mighty lot of fear mongering warnings on this thread, but not a single suggestion as to how we should answer the flagrant tyranny and destruction of the republic we’re now witnessing.

Care to give it a go, or are you content to continue fighting back with methods that clearly no longer work? Tell us. What’s your solution?

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Sign Petitions to Secede
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:18:39 PM · 61 of 61
Windflier to WhiskeyX
You’ve posted a mighty lot of fear mongering warnings on this thread, but not a single suggestion as to how we should answer the flagrant tyranny and destruction of the republic we’re now witnessing.

Care to give it a go, or are you content to continue fighting back with methods that clearly no longer work? Tell us. What’s your solution?
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It appears to be very hypocritical of you to be accusing me of “a mighty lot of fear mongering warnings” after you havee advocated secession as a responsee to your fear mongering about the not resorting to the extreme measure of secession. It is even more outrageous for you to be making accusations of “fear mongering” and then proceed to write such fear mongering phrases as “ how we should answer the flagrant tyranny and destruction of the republic” and “ fighting back with methods that clearly no longer work.” Is it “fear mongering” or is it sober and responsible reporting to remind you and other readers what the laws plainly state and how Communists and their sympathizers have typically exploited secessionist sentiments to the blaming of their enemies and great detriment of conservatives? Perhaps the dangers you contemptuously ignore may have at least a tad more reality for you after reading one of the recent news stories.

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Secession petitions now filed for all 50 states. .By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News Senior Media Reporter
Yahoo! News | The Lookout – 14 hrs ago..

Meanwhile, residents of Austin, Texas’ stubbornly liberal stronghold, have petitioned the White House to allow the city to “withdraw from the state of Texas [and] remain part of the United States.” [….] And at least one petition filed on the site asks that the president sign an executive order to strip U.S. citizenship from anyone who signed a petition to secede and requests that they are “peacefully deported.”
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As can be seen in this news story and others the MSM is already attempting to spin the news to make it appear the counter-petitions suggesting the people advocating secession should have their citizenship revoked or they be deported are Liberals or Democrats, instead of the conservatives right here on Free Republic opposed to secessions. This is the kind of defamation of conservatives that was practiced historically by the Fascist and Communist propagandists when setting up arrests and political demagoguery. That is not “fear mongering” unless you happen to think the reporting of printed legal and historical facts constitute “fear mongering”

I’m “fighting back” along with other conservatives, and we’re doing it in lawful, moral, and increasingly effective ways. It would be easier doing so if we didn’t have suicidal reactionaries shooting holes into the bottom of our ship of state and helping the enemy boarders accomplish what they had themselves failed to do. It would also help vastly more if everyone would work together to make the ridicule and demeaning of people investigating the Presidential eligibility issue a socially unacceptable behavior. Obama’s theft of the election by massive vote fraud would then become a blessing in disguise.

If Romney were to be inaugurated, it might be claimed that the legislation and appointments made by Obama would become an irreversible fact. If Obama is inaugurated for a second term and then determined to have been ineligible since the first day of his administration, then every law he signed and every appointment he made to the Supreme Court and inferior courts may become null and void. In such an event, it woulld be far more beneficial to the nation to remove him for ineligibility thant any other course of action could possibly offer. If anyone really wants to accomplish something for the nation, compel a reversal in public opinion and Congressional actions resulting in Obama’s removal for ineligibility, corruption, and removal of members of Congress for their roles in the election conspiracies.

Tonight I’ll be attending a Precinct Committee Officers’ meeting to encourage more conservative changes in the Party leadershipp and potent responses to the vote fraud. Beyonf the efforts to prod a seemingly dead elephant, there are many other approaches being taken which do not require the participation of the pachyderms. However, the long-eared donkeys don’t need to be clued in.

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Out of curiosity, is there a set of circumstances under which you would approve of a political statement like these requests to secede?
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My ancestry includes an 18th Century Amerindian and mostly 17th Century colonists. The one exceptional branch are early 19th Century immigrants from England and Germany. These ancestors have collectively worked to establish a culture unique in the world for the past 400 years and a government they protected and defended for some 233 years. Their efforts to bring together their communities into mutual protection and defense of their often very different communities has all too often cost them their lives and their fortunes.The adverse impacts of these sacrifices have been felt right into my own generation and generations of my family younger than myself. Consequently, the very suggestion of secession and dividing our hard won community and individual freedoms in which we have so much invested in blood, sweat, and treasure is appalling and reprehensible beyond description. We simply did not come so far in the last 400 years just to throw it all away in some kind of hissy fit and play into the hands of our enemies seeking to destroy our United States.

No, that is a strawman argument. Th problem is you misrepresent the situation. The United States rebelled when they were eexcluded from the British Government and their colonial charters and colonial governments were arbitrarily abrogated. The situation was also quite different because the United States included conquered colonies and people who were not British in their origins. Britain treated the United Sates as a conquered territory rather than one of its own homelands for Englismen with Englismen’s rights.

The United States is our own nation. As citizens of the United States we still possess considerable powers as political bodies and as individuals in shaping our government, abating government corruption, and removing usurpers. The problem is there are simply too many americans who have learned some of the Revolutionary slogans without understanding their context, meanings, and historical applicability. Too many people remain ignorant of the Republic’s principles despite reciting their words. Some people are too lazy to respect the in which these principles seek to remove conflict and engage in conflict by legal and moral means.

Although I have very strong doubts the people advocating secession will understand or appreciate the way in which the stroy applies to current circumstances, someone just might. So, I recommend readers visit Youtube, get a bowl of popcorn, and watch Jimmy Stewart and Marlene Dietrich in the movie Destry Rides Again.

Kudos to the first person who gets the idea.

No, that is a strawman argument. Th problem is you misrepresent the situation. The United States rebelled when they were eexcluded from the British Government and their colonial charters and colonial governments were arbitrarily abrogated. The situation was also quite different because the United States included conquered colonies and people who were not British in their origins. Britain treated the United Sates as a conquered territory rather than one of its own homelands for Englismen with Englismen’s rights.

The United States is our own nation. As citizens of the United States we still possess considerable powers as political bodies and as individuals in shaping our government, abating government corruption, and removing usurpers. The problem is there are simply too many americans who have learned some of the Revolutionary slogans without understanding their context, meanings, and historical applicability. Too many people remain ignorant of the Republic’s principles despite reciting their words. Some people are too lazy to respect the in which these principles seek to remove conflict and engage in conflict by legal and moral means.

Although I have very strong doubts the people advocating secession will understand or appreciate the way in which the stroy applies to current circumstances, someone just might. So, I recommend readers visit Youtube, get a bowl of popcorn, and watch Jimmy Stewart and Marlene Dietrich in the movie Destry Rides Again.

Kudos to the first person who gets the idea.

This topic seems to be drawing out old anti-birther types, I wonder if the Obama trolls are worried it may gain traction?

What would Obama fear the most in his strategy plan of converting America to a socialist state?

Not having the workers paradise all worshipping him for starters, not any reliable fear of the Feds and the unrest of his most devout followers that illegally re-elected him for more freebies, union dues and bailouts.

I have seen on even obscure forums some eventual discussion of states asking to leave the Republic and always somebody gets all panicky. I love the smell of panic in the morning wafting across the fields of grain, along with the chorus of the inner city crying for more makers to give them more free stuff.

Well I say lets sign all day long just for shits and giggles. And then we become men of action.

Tonight I’ll be attending a Precinct Committee Officers’ meeting to encourage more conservative changes in the Party leadershipp and potent responses to the vote fraud.

Well, it only took you a thousand words to get to it, but I suppose you did finally answer the question: "What's your solution?"

Your response is a big vague, but I can see that you're determined to continue working within the system and playing by the old rules. That's fine, but friend, the system has utterly failed us. The game has been rigged by the left so that the right can never win again through our long established political processes.

Corruption and strident leftist ideology have become entrenched and baked in at nearly ever control point in the federal apparatus. It's even worse than that. Much of the leadership on the right has succumbed to the enemy, and is now a willing accomplice in cahoots with them against The People.

I too, would like nothing more than to see the system work on our behalf, but I'm losing faith in that proposition. My gut tells me that our government is far too corrupt and degraded to repair through the normal processes. Sadly, I feel the truth is that we passed that point a long time ago, but the majority of us are only slowly waking up to that reality.

In simple terms, we're running out of options. The hard left controls the Jury Box, the Soap Box, and the Ballot Box. It's a hard cold reality that we must confront in order to move forward with the wisest, most effective solutions.

Th problem is you misrepresent the situation. The United States rebelled when they were eexcluded from the British Government and their colonial charters and colonial governments were arbitrarily abrogated.

And today is different in what way? Do you not see that the majority in this country have been systematically excluded from the political process through means of criminality, subversion, and institutional corruption by the left? Do you not see that the-powers-that-be in Washington have arbitrarily abrogated and violated the spirit and letter of every law and constitutional dictate that stands in the way of their Socialist agenda?

As citizens of the United States we still possess considerable powers as political bodies and as individuals in shaping our government, abating government corruption, and removing usurpers.

I'd truly like to believe that's still so, but facts on the ground over the last decade indicate otherwise. The extent and degree of egregious violations of our nation's founding charter and principles have become too numerous to even delineate. We are in the midst of a wholesale sundering of the ancient and solemn covenants which gave birth to this nation, and which enabled the people of this continent to build the most free and prosperous nation ever known.

I don't think we disagree on the fact that we have much corrosion and degradation to repair in this country, and that we must do something different to effect desirable and necessary changes to our government. Doing the same things we've been doing, and expecting different results, is frankly insane.

I went to a REpublican county officers’ meeting last night, and there were only 15 people there. Apart from myself, they were almost all officers. Out of several thousand voters in the county, virtually none of them bothered to come to the meeting and clamor for the corruption to be opposed by the party leaders. This is one of the important reasons why I have no sympathy for the complaints about not having an opportunity to oppose the corruption in the government. The voters have the opportunity for self-government and are too negligent to bother exercising the opportunity and their duties. If you cannot get them to do so in the present crisis in the Union, you can hardly expect them to be any less neglectful of those duties apart from the Union.

I went to a REpublican county officers’ meeting last night, and there were only 15 people there. Apart from myself, they were almost all officers. Out of several thousand voters in the county, virtually none of them bothered to come to the meeting and clamor for the corruption to be opposed by the party leaders.

Whiskey, hardly anyone showed up to that meeting because the people have lost faith in the political process.

Actually, it's worse than that. Many of our people have directly observed that the political process has become corrupted beyond all recognition, and they can SEE with their own two eyes that it's no longer a working solution.

There's been a paradigm shift. The game has changed, and people are simply noting that change, and preparing to explore other, more workable solutions to the problem. Where do you think all this talk of secession is coming from?

Over 100,000 people in Texas have signed the secession petition. I'd lay you 100 to 1 odds that every one of them voted in this last election and the one before. Leading up to November 6th, every possible indicator showed Mitt Romney handily beating Obama, but at the end of the day, the worst man to ever occupy the Oval Office walked away with the title. Again.

How can anyone of good heart, honesty, and love of country possibly conclude anything, but that our election process has been criminally hijacked by the dark forces of the left?

How can you expect these same people to rally in support of a party that couldn't win an election against the worst, most corrupt and treasonous regime we've ever seen in Washington?