Posted on 11/09/2012 9:20:27 AM PST by carlo3b
JUST HOW FAR ARE WE WILLING TO GO?
I SAY, LETS JUMP OFF THE CLIFF!
I know, I remember what our Mothers told us about, If your idiot friend jumped off the Cliff, would you follow? As it turned out she was mostly right, but not always, not NOW, not this time.. I'm suggesting that our Mothers are sometimes just flat out wrong.. Most women, Not your Mother of course, but at least 56% of women elected Obama, twice, so they aren't always right..
This is the real truth telling moment in our Nation's present and future.. We were handed our collective ASS in this debacle of an election.. The Liberals put it all on the line to get this man back into the White House to finish what he started, and what the Liberals/Communists started almost a century ago..
THE REAL PROBLEM!
We are weakened because we didn't stop the thief of this process when we allowed all of those cute sounding seemingly innocuous rule changing election laws, Motor Voter, Absentee Voting, Early Voting, and Extending Hours..
We spread out the security protection and limited the oversight of the one thing that insures that this great nation is a Nation of Laws, dictated by WE The People, and placed the Elected Representative form of governance in the hands of corruptible politicians and influential unelected bureaucrats..
We lost because we follow the laws, and they don't..
We are at the mercy of the will of the people.. We believe that TRUTH will out.. That our ideas are sound and that most people will recognize what will hurt them, and that they will stop policies that are wrong will become obvious, and that those expounding wrongheaded laws will be shunned in the next election..
That dog no longer hunts.. Much of what is wrong with this country is it's people! I could spend the next ten days giving examples of why the people do what they do, but you are as aware of those problems as I am.. Education, Immigration, Entitlements, yada, yada, yada..
THE SOLUTION IS HERE NOW!
I am a problem solver, not a brainiac, or a prognosticator, or even smart.. I live in a real world, and started businesses that succeeded, lots of them.. When I decided years ago, whether I should go to college, I checked my reality, and recognized that I was poor, so I started out as an Entrepreneur..
I like most of you look at life and respond with the cards that we are dealt.. First lesson is that when you see that something being done is wrong, STOP IT! When someone is Bleeding, STOP THE BLEEDING, Fast..
Almost all of our problems in this country is from spending.. We allowed the spending to get way out of control, and we put into law, spending that has become so endemic that we are at a lose to stop it.. NOT TRUE!
If we STOP THE MONEY, it all has to stop, right? That too is NOT TRUE! We have all learned to borrow, and most of us also learned that it can, and often gets out of control..
THE FISCAL CLIFF IS THE TOURNIQUET OF GOVERNMENT!
All of the elements of what is wrong with the Government is coming together at the same time.. YES, THAT IS TRUE! It stops the flow of money at once.. It also stops the borrowing if the congress has not given it the authority to raise the DEBT LIMIT! BINGO, everything has to change if that happens.. Government has to trim, drastically reduce spending, eliminate programs, or SHUT DOWN!
We all agree that the politicians, Forget about US, will not allow their jobs to stop paying THEM! But we also know that few if any will put their own career on the line for something so noble as saving our Country.. But we just learned a lesson, that we will never win another election now that the Liberals have all of the strings in place to steal every election in the future..
We do not have any other power but to stop something from happening, not move any legislation that will encumber the left from their power.. If we can convince our fat cat politicians that in 2 short years that we will kick their asses out of the cushy seats they might, just might, decide to take the gamble and SHUT IT DOWN, if only to save their own butt..
What if they shut it all down, it's a stretch, but what if? The Markets will tank, for a shot time only.. Banks will threaten to shut down under the RUN ON THE BANK theory.. Hundreds of thousands of government employees are going to start getting pink slips, and foreign markets begin to crumble their own weight, without us to prop them up.. Your own paychecks may be in jeopardy..
HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK..?????
Here is where the rubber hits the road.. We won’t move unless a 5% deduction on all government spending, across the board, including entitlements.. Not from baseline, but an actual cuts, and with annual 5% cuts for each annual budget, with the 2nd and succeeding year negotiated departmental cuts or NOTHING!
In ten years, at these cuts and normal growth, we are even again.. We will loose about 500,000 government jobs, but more than made up for it in a rise in employment in the private sector..
It won’t happen, but we could get back to 17% of GDP..
No one is yet strong enough to try anything against us, except the Arab terrorists who would no doubt step up their activities..
China needs us almost as much as we need them, because they are nowhere near parity with the US in any area of military, and Russia is all mouth, and old stuff..
NOW, I wouldn't say that in 10 years.. Especially with Obama with 4 of those years..
Agreed.
Ryan, Mack, and others have made proposals.
I seem to recall a bi-partisan, bicameral deal that was kiboshed when Obama stepped in at the last minute demanding more tax hikes. The same players are all now at the same table.
Not so sure about China - they’ve got plenty of markets to which they can sell. As far as operatives here, I’d say none so many as the drug chain, followed by the Islamofascists.
(except, of course, our own home-grown left)
Russia is a major problem to it’s neighbors, and that posses a problem to us having to defend them.. It is not above them to use our difficulties against our allies in their region..
As far as their threat to us, no longer there, and hasn’t been there since the mid 70’s, as Reagan proved..
Fun to speculate, but we all know that Boehner will cave. 100% guaranteed.
Continue prepping. Move along...
bump
Would like to go back to original topic, if possible, and have a lively discussion, if is agreed upon. Have attempted to begin by pings to you, gonzo, and Laz. There maybe is an opportunity to fine tune. Decide issues to fight and issues not to fight by asking for a vote of Present. Like Laz mentioned, Freedoms, all Freedoms are important. Laz didn't use those exact words, so Laz, am asking for forgiveness for not quoting. PRESENT (imho) does not have to be used for every vote. Our representatives could be given an outline, an agreed upon outline. I'm willing to type the draft letter (and place out for view for FReeper input) to my representative and one of two of my senators (one is a dem and intend to keep out of loop) to begin the process. May receive back a form letter but is worth a try (imho). Many a form letter has been sent back to my location over the years. LOL. Any interest folks?
Don’t just “Go Galt”, Instead “Poll Vault” so far over their heads they don’t even see it comming! “
I like it. Best plan I’ve heard.
Off the cliff means an end to emergency unemployment. Let’s stop those cheats who have been taking for 4+ years and working off the books.
I say we go for it.
Go For Indeed! Would it surprise you to hear that there are folks here in Houston that came after Katrina, and are still hear collecting rent, food stamps, and .. DRUM ROLL... Expenses!!!.. True! %#@%@@%..
I can't speak for carlo or Laz, but I gotta hunch that they're businessmen too.
'Less Freedom' has been a practice of the Left forever, and has never worked towards prosperity for all. 'Absolute Freedom' is Anarchy, and that doesn't work for all, either. Somewhere in between is Civilization.
It no longer matters how we got to where we are now. The Free-World, USA included, is AT a financial precipice. A financial collapse must happen soon!
Here in the USA, we have something called the Second Amendment, a Right never before allowed by any previous government in history, and that Right is under attack, if you'll remember the fiasco called "Fast-and-Furious".
So, while we still have the means to defend ourselves from the barbarians, let's have the governments-created financial collapse occur, and see what happens!
C'mon - it'll be fun ....................................................... FRegards
Here is the thread, go to post #55 to view draft letter, from there go down to palmer’s rewrite at post #71 ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2957929/posts?q=1&;page=55
...It must happen soon... If nothing is done, whichever plan, it must be done soon! Just remember, we will never be in a better position, economically, militarily, emotionally, and by sheer numbers, then we are today..
Every single day, the Administration is burying us in deeper debt, planning further plunders of our culture, depleting our fighting forces, military strengths, and imposing more Draconian regulations than the day before..
Today is the strongest we will ever be in the future.. Every day that passes, we grow weaker and further from the eventual recovery..
Probably quite true. We have four more years of the past four years.
Sorry , and not trying to be a last word freak..
He has four more years of not worrying about getting the next four years, because he knows the Left may only have these next four years to get everything they need to finish us off..
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