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Biden's Kennedy Crack Was Hot Debate Moment
ABC OTUS News ^ | Fri, Oct 12, 2012 | ABBY D. PHILLIP

Posted on 10/14/2012 12:38:07 PM PDT by presidio9

Vice President Biden's sharp retort to Rep. Paul Ryan's invocation of President John F. Kennedy was by far the single biggest single moment of the debate according to Twitter metrics.

"Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy?" Biden quipped when Ryan asserted that Kennedy had successfully lowered taxes to foster economic growth.

After Biden's retort, Twitter erupted with 58,275 tweets per minute, more than at any other point in the debate.

Biden's comments brought to mind the other famous Jack Kennedy debate moment in which Democratic vice presidential candidate Lloyd Bentsen slammed his Republican opponent Dan Quayle for comparing himself to Jack Kennedy with the retort: "Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

Thursday's debate was in essence a Lloyd Bentsen moment for tax and budget wonks.

Ryan was right that Kennedy advocated lowering taxes, but it may have been Ryan's appropriation of Kennedy's legacy that stung Democrats.

"There is this tremendous love for Jack Kennedy for reasons hard to explain," said Alan Brinkley, a Columbia University American History professor who has written a book about Kennedy. "But Democrats still believe that Jack Kennedy is their great messiah and so I think that's what made so many Democrats angry."

On the tax policy, at least, Ryan was mostly right.

Kennedy did propose lowering taxes early on in his administration, a step he said was necessary to bring the country out of an economic recession.

"If we are to prevail in the long run, we must expand the long-run strength of our economy. We must move along the path to a higher rate of growth and full employment," Kennedy said in his 1963 State of the Union address. "To achieve these greater gains,

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To: presidio9

Joe Biden is a walking Silver Alert.


21 posted on 10/14/2012 12:51:45 PM PDT by Atticus
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To: presidio9

“Mr. Vice President, I served with Lloyd Bentsen. I knew Lloyd Bentsen. Lloyd Bentsen was a friend of mine. Mr. Vice President, you’re no Lloyd Bentsen.”


22 posted on 10/14/2012 12:53:55 PM PDT by x
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To: presidio9

It was almost like Joe was just waiting for Ryan to utter the name of some other famous politician so he could respond “Oh so now you think you’re blah blah...”


23 posted on 10/14/2012 12:53:58 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: presidio9
Debates are not intended to educate the auditors. They are intended to best the opponent.

Biden applied a willful and conscious method of belittleling his opponent. In my opinion Biden succeeded in diminishing Ryan. Bidens behavior has not changed my vote but he clearly made Ryan look small and weak.

24 posted on 10/14/2012 12:54:16 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: presidio9

Ryan is soooo much better than that drugged out, womanizing, mafia controlled, ineffective potus that it is laughable that Biden would make that comment. Please someone tell what JFK accomplished in his presidency that make him memorable other than the overhyped Cuban missle crisis or getting himself shot. Not much of a legacy other than Camelot. Remember camelot is a fairy tale as is JFK;s legacy.

He got his presidency because of the Chicago mob (Daly, et al). Nixon really won the election. And Kennedy was taken out by the Chicago mob. They have been in control of the Democratic party for a long time.


25 posted on 10/14/2012 12:56:35 PM PDT by dirtymac (`Ryan is soooo much better than that)
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To: JohnBrowdie

Wanna bet 58,270 of the tweets came from WH.....;)


26 posted on 10/14/2012 12:56:43 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: presidio9
Oh Bullsh*t. Democrats reliving Loyd Benson's famous put down of Dan Quayle.

Made plagerist Biden sound like a rude plagerist.

27 posted on 10/14/2012 12:59:41 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: presidio9

Do you agree with this analysis? I notice you posted it without comment.


28 posted on 10/14/2012 1:01:31 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: presidio9
Bovine scatology.

Back in the days when debates had one person at a time talking -- surely you remember those? -- Benson's comment left Dan Quayle deer-in-headlghts looking and speechless.

Ryan pretty much ignored SloJoe Butt-In's comment-barely-noticed-because-he-was-incoherently-rambling-all-the-time.

29 posted on 10/14/2012 1:01:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
I think there is a new generational lens thar has to be applied.

Bidden was seen by younger viewers as why there is polarization in Washington, and why nothing gets done. Ryan is seen as the next generation that isn't tainted by historical party baggage, and who just wants to solve problems and get things done.

-PJ

30 posted on 10/14/2012 1:02:34 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't I naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: presidio9

The perfect response:

No, Mr Vice-President, I do not think I am Jack Kennedy. I was only pointing out that Jack Kennedy supported and implemented tax cuts to spur economic growth, just as Ronald Reagan did.

It is YOUR policy of raising taxes during weak economic times that is in direct contradiction to the legacy of President Kennedy.


31 posted on 10/14/2012 1:05:55 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: presidio9

JFK would get kicked out of the Democrat party today for these comments alone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAEp0J_hzU


32 posted on 10/14/2012 1:07:23 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Not really. Ryan commented on two example where a tax cut has expanded revenues. He mentioned Reagan, then he mentioned JFK made a similar move.
In no way did he insinuate that he was the new JFK, similar to JFK, etc.

Joe’s response made no sense whatsoever. It certainly did not best him. AT BEST, he was like that TV commercial for the detergent. The stain on the shirt keeps shouting and interrupting the conversation. Joe only succeeded in making himself look like he had no ability to win by simply refuting what Ryan said. Romney bested Obama in that manner. Biden simply looke impossible to have a disscussion with. In his 45 minutes, Ryan was interuped over 80 times by Biden, and interrupted over 20 times by the Moderater. That simply was not an environment where anyone could prevail. So Ryan won by using his politenes to illustrate the two nazi thugs at the table with him.

BTW, i cannot tell you how many women i have already heard say how they HATED Bidens smug, dissmissive, and insulting tactics. Instantly reminded them of ex-husbands.


33 posted on 10/14/2012 1:07:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: presidio9

Not very creative thinking on Joe’s part to recycle an old line, but the dumb suckers watching must have thought it was cool, so it was a good idea.

Ryan knew this was coming sometime in the debate and should have come back with, “No, not any more than you are, Joe, but he knew a lot more about how to fire up an economy than present day democrats and the obama administration.”

That would have brought the roof down!


34 posted on 10/14/2012 1:10:08 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: presidio9

If Kennedy were alive today, he’d be a RINO and the left would detest him.


35 posted on 10/14/2012 1:10:14 PM PDT by peggybac (Hope and Change has become Divide and Conquer)
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To: chris37
It was almost like Joe was just waiting for Ryan to utter the name of some other famous politician so he could respond “Oh so now you think you’re blah blah...”

Certainly. Just like Lloyd Bentsen had preprepared his "You're no Jack Kennedy" retort to Dan Quayle for the 1988 vice presidential debates (Bentsen didn't actually know Kennedy and they certainly weren't friends, but they were in Congress at the same time; in any case, it's not factually accuracy that counts in such encounters, but drama and appearances).

Bentsen found an appropriate moment to deliver his zinger. Biden didn't but unleashed his anyway. Because the moment and circumstances weren't quite right, Biden's retort didn't have the same effect as Bentsen's. I'd be surprised if both Biden and Ryan weren't aware of that 1988 moment.

36 posted on 10/14/2012 1:10:44 PM PDT by x
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To: Reddon
"He cites Bush, Reagan, Kennedy, and I forget the other."

According to JFK in his NY Econ Club speech it was Eisenhower in 1954.

Maybe it's because I was around in 1962, but Biden simply made Ryan's point, without inflicting any damage.

37 posted on 10/14/2012 1:13:04 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: presidio9

Oh, so now you think you’re Cicero!


38 posted on 10/14/2012 1:13:26 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: JohnBrowdie
Well the fact is there were two fiscal conservatives in most of our lifetimes.
Kennedy did what Reagan did and Ryan was pointing that out. Biden was already interrupting Ryan before he could get half way through the sentence about the taxes being reduced by Kennedy.

Maybe next Obamy will call out to Martin Luther King and Romney can mention he was a Republican....

39 posted on 10/14/2012 1:13:38 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: presidio9

Ryan missed the rebuttal:

“Mr Vice President, my policies are almost identical to President Kennedy’s while your policies have very little in common with his.”

The truth is that Kennedy’s policies, especially his economic policies, are much more similar to Romney/Ryan policies than to Obama/Biden.

If Kennedy was alive today and had the same policies as he did in 1960 the democrats would be calling him a far right extremist.


40 posted on 10/14/2012 1:13:57 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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