Posted on 09/19/2012 7:38:43 AM PDT by marktwain
At approximately 7:00 pm Saturday night, Ohio State Students Joe and Amanda Smith were approached by a threatening white male near Westland Mall requiring Joe, Buckeyes for Concealed Carry on Campus President, to use his concealed handgun to defend himself, his wife Amanda, and their sixteen month old son Kyedin.
The threatening male approached their vehicle while Amanda was buckling Kyedin into his stroller and Joe was near the tailgate. He began making cat calls at Amanda as he closed in on her. Amanda and Joe asked him to leave them alone. Joe placed himself between his wife and the aggressor while a panicked Amanda began to remove Kyedin from the stroller and place him back into the vehicle. The male then became belligerent and began issuing threats to Joe.
"He just kept coming, no matter what I said. Then he told me he had a gun and had no problem killing all of us," said Joe. Joe instructed Amanda to call the police while he engaged the threat. "He kept saying he was going to kill us. He stopped short to answer his phone and told whoever it was where he was and to come help him get this 'white honky.'"
"I demanded he stop, but he didn't. When he was about fifteen feet away, I drew my handgun," Joe explained. "I was prepared to shoot, but didn't have to."
According to Joe, the aggressor stopped, raised his hands, and began apologizing. An older vehicle arrived, presumably with the aggressor's backup. He got into the vehicle and left.
"I was terrified," said Amanda. "I'm glad Joe had his gun. Who knows what would've happened if he didn't."
Deputy Zachary P. Cooper (#933) of the Franklin County Sheriff's office responded to Amanda's 911 call in approximately 7 minutes. Deputy Cooper told Joe "this is exactly why law abiding citizens can carry firearms. I'm a firm believer in it."
Ohio Students for Concealed Carry State Director Michael Newbern points out that "Joe was forced to defend himself with his handgun on a Saturday." Newbern added, "What if this incident occurred on a weekday when Joe and Amanda were going home from campus and he would have been disarmed by Ohio State policy?
"This is why Ohio Students for Concealed Carry and Buckeyes for Concealed Carry is suing Ohio State to bring the student code of conduct in line with Ohio Revised Code," he added.
Students for Concealed Carry is a nationwide non-partisan student organization. The group's sole mission is to restore the right of law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms on all public university campuses. The group works to accomplish this mission by educating the public, university officials, and lawmakers of the facts about campus carry and lobbying to remove the restrictions on campus carry from the laws of the state.
I asked you first......
If I’m not sleeping, probably not fast enough for me to avoid them and prepare to deal with them
You? Of course not, you're superman finally married to superwoman and the baby your wife is trying to secure in your vehicle is indestructable.
I wish I was you........
Drawing a weapon is serious - but sounds justified in this case - and IT WORKED!! Verbal commands at first to try and stop the threat is good. When they failed the weapon was drawn. The thug is lucky he raised his hands and left. One more step towards the family and he would/should have been killed.
Sure you do but you're unwilling to admit that one person's perception of a threat does not equal yours. And you're also unable to come to grips with the fact that brandishing a weapon in a hostile environment does not mean that it needs to discharged at the threat.
My suggestion to you superman is to reread the article and tell me where the guy was wrong in brandishing his weapon after being threatened with death to both him and his family with a firearm that the potential assailaint claimed he had as well as calling in a homie to help him.
I don't care how much of a badass you think you are or how fast you think you can draw Hickock but 1.5 seconds is likely to get you, or your wife or your child killed if that is the assailant's intent........
Keep in mind that concealed weapons are for those who do not have the highly honed skills which you obviously have..........
You weren't there nor were your wife and baby.............
If your reading comprehension was a little stronger you would see my original comment was to the other fool who said the subject of the article should have started blasting the thug and the guy that drove up. I wouldn’t second guess anyone that made a reasonable decision on how he thought he should defend himself and his family. I also said as much in a follow up post. As for me, chances are I’m not pulling a firearm until I’m going to fire. If you have a problem with that, I couldn’t care less.
How do you know that wasn't his intent?
We know because he didn’t fire. Just as well because as far as we know, the thug was armed with a cell phone.
A training course I once took included the Tueller drill. I faced the target, with gun in my holster. An instructor stood 21 feet off to my left. At the signal, I was to draw and fire at the target. The instructor was to start running toward me and slap me on the back as he went by. No contest. He could have put a knife in me, or clobbered me with a club, before I finished my draw, let alone fired. Having been through that, if I ever face a threat for real, I will try not to let them get that close.
Not just you but your wife & infant child as well? Are you some kind of 9th degree black belt ? Also anything under 21 feet is considered to close to draw aim & fire from a open carry holster by most law enforcement use of force standards .
You need to look up the Tueller Drill or the 21 foot rule:
http://www.bladefighting.com/21footrule.htm
FWIW the view from a maturing martial artist.
15ft is a push off the rear leg and a cross step...2 seconds, tops. If your only defensive preparation is a gun, and a person with training can touch your torso or your arm between the elbow and shoulder before you are on target and squeezing the trigger, it’s over.
A punk who needs to “show his nuts”, is unlikely to have any kind of training, other than knockout club. He put on a show and ended up getting shown, happy ending.
If he had actually been a dangerous person, he would have said nothing, pretended to need to walk past them to get somewhere, and he’s right there, he’s already taken someone out, and he’s controlling the other adult.
Whatever your firearm expertise, basic training can help you have proper focus, keep you acting after being hit, and give you the ability to gain enough space to turn a gun on someone who is at zero distance. It might actually be helpful, to practice falling to the ground on purpose with your feet towards your target... it makes you a smaller target and more difficult to reach and control by a closer, gives you more seconds to clear your weapon and line it up...you can even fend off a man with your feet who’s on top of you, while shooting upward.
The most useful self defense tool requires no physical training at all. Go for a daily walk were you practice 360 degree awareness while looking straight ahead. Do not turn your head, focus your eyes on nothing, but be aware of everything. If someone is suddenly focusing undue attention to you, or alters their course to intercept your path, sometimes you’re feeling it in your stomach before you ever actually see it with your eyes. You’ll know you’re on track when someone who’s eyeballing you produces almost a physical sense like being touched. Once you get the focus, do your best to do this 24-7 when you’re out in the world... it isn’t learning this that’s hard, it’s maintaining it. When you start getting tired, you will start missing things.
After you get in the habit, if you’re walking through a crowd your heightened attention and the general population’s lower attention span may make you feel like you’re walking in a world of sleepwalkers, and if there is another person in that crowd with heightened attention, like someone who’s hunting for something or someone, they stand out.
Bruce Lee quote: “Attention is the highest form of martial art.”
Last piece of advice: If you’ve learned to trust your instincts when to warn you, then trust your instincts when to act. Initiative is everything, it’s better to act too soon than too late, it’s better to be judged as presumptious and being a hot head then to be dead. When to make your move is a judgement call that every individual has to make for themselves. One of my early teachers told me, that if someone’s coming up to you saying “I’m going to kill you” the only sound that should ever come out of his mouth, is “I”. An attentive man would already know where the situation was leading, and be prepared to bear the responsibility for the consequences of acting to cut it off before it ever began.
Take what helps, flush the rest...T.
The large men are repossessing a car...the small girl with the black belt is the owner of the car who is delinquent on her payments...but still it illustrates a point awful well.
I choose to call it Mountain Sized Man With Mega Mouth Confronted by Korean Kitten with Confidence and Skill...and Look Who's Crying
I grant you, the girl is in the wrong because she defaulted on her car payment. But its case in point of the wide gulf between looking powerful and being powerful.
Women in particular will love this...LOL
Isn’t that a scene from a “reality” show? Two professional video guys on the scene? Fake.
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