COMPLETE VETTING OF OBAMA: A CHALLENGE TO MSM

freeper research | Sept 13,2012 | Hoosiermama with freeper research

[hoosiermama]

Many conservative news people have talked about Obama NOT being vet the last election and it appears that even the authors looking into his history have neglected to thoroughly investigate one area.

The Clinton’s, like good magician assistance distracted with the help of lawyer, Phillip Berg…Look over here! Look at his birth certificate! Those who attempted to look into that fact were ridiculed or ignored.

In an attempt to ignite research facts and questions follow. “Where did the Dunham family get the money to travel?” asked one blogger who listed many on the family trips to and through Asia.
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/barack-hussein-obama-ii-child-of-privilege/

Obama attended expensive school, if you believe the “poor mother “meme, he must have had a scholarship.

BUT, there is another possible answer. Many freepers have added the expertise and research to the following. Here are some of our findings and questions that have been spurred. Media, authors, fellow freepers use this missive as your jumping off point. It is a foundation to build on. Not a final product/

Let’s look at Rolla Charles Payne, his maternal great-grandfather. He is said to be a bookkeeper by profession. (Do you believe his other great grandfather was a goat herder?) True, his 1917 military records show that he was a bookkeeper for a Tulsa Gas company. It has been said that he worked for Standard Oil, but isn’t this the same time frame that Standard Oil was forced by the federal government to divide into many smaller companies and took man of their operations off shore?

On the other hand, when we looked for a Tulsa petroleum company, Kaiser–Francis (the firm that owns a percentage of Solyndra/ check contributions?) appeared. It was in in its infancy in Tulsa.

Are they connected? Were they connected then? …..“1969 George B. Kaiser took over Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., a small family oil firm founded in the 1940s by his uncle and parents, Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, who had settled in Oklahoma. Operations at the time were limited to Kansas. By 2004 the firm had over $600 million in revenues from oil and gas production...... (WSJ, 7/23/04, p.A1)….

The company was in operation and run by a brother and father before the 1940s. It operated entirely in Kansas, mostly drilling.

To believe he was a bookkeeper his entire life would be the equivalent of believing that Mitt Romney’s father died a contractor. A bookkeeper is not the same as an agent, although both work with contracts and leases. If you “google” Payne several articles state he was a “agent”(at least they did when we did the research).

Several freepers informed me that agents wrote the contract/leases between the oil/gas company and the land owner for mineral rights. Several small parcels of land were often bundled together in one larger contact. This was during the depression. Money was scarce. It was not uncommon for the agent to take a small percentage of future income from the minerals extracted from the wells as delayed income. One freeper tells of a person he knew who, died a multi-millionaire, income was one tenth of one percent of producing wells drilled on the land he had arranged leases.

It is projected in one article that the family lived partly off of the income from wells on their own property. Research showed producing wells named: ‘Stanley D’ and ‘Stanley A’. Are they connected?

Rolla Charles was upset when his oldest daughter eloped with Stanley A. Dunham. “He was from the wrong side of the tracts”. In other words: He didn’t have money. The Paynes did.

Rolla Charles Payne died October 23, 1968. He was retired from an Eldorado Kansas Oil/Gas company. There is a museum in that town. You may want to visit it. It is a tribute to the industry. It may even contain information about Rolla Charles Payne.

…Swisher-Taylor & Morris Funeral Home has the records of the Payne’s deaths. Leona died on March 22, 1968, and Rolla on Oct. 22. The Courier published Leona's obituary on March 23, 1968, and Rolla's on Oct. 23, 1968…
Payne’s probate records should be available in the Court House at Augusta, Butler County, Kansas.

Now why is this important? Many of us have dealt with probate. Final distribution usually occurs a couple years after the death of the individual. Notation of family trust might also be in this courthouse.

Madelyn Payne Durham, the elder daughter, and Barack’s grandmother, was not just a Vice President of the Hawaiian bank. She was head of the Escrow Department/Trust Department. If Rolla had not established a family trust at the time of his death to avoid probate, there are two reason why it may have been established at his death: Barack, Sr. and Lolo. Articles published in Africa said that Barack Sr. worked for an oil company, while a student in Hawaii. Hawaii has no oil or gas: Natural resources listed are gravel, lava stone and other building materials. Some found reports of SR. working in a pineapple field for a day. Marrying Stanley Ann and sharing in her assets is not working for an oil company, it is receiving profit from an oil company. Their divorce degree was eleven pages long. WHY? They shared no property, didn’t even live together. What was so involved, and why did Stanley Anne want to make sure she was divorced, even though no record of their marriage has been found and Sr. was already married in Kenya.
….. After he left Hawaii (spending money touring the country; big talk in the bar in California; paying his brother’s bills at an expensive private school etc.) implies that Sr. got money in June of 1962.

It is well documented that Lolo, Stanley Anne’s second husband, also worked for Standard Oil. Interesting?

Regardless, three years after Rolla Charles death, the family (including Sr. met in Hawaii. The meeting would be Christmas of 1971. Pictures document the visit and most assume the "family business" had something to do with custody of Barack Jr. It was after this pow-wow that Madelyn became Barry’s legal guardian (Protecting his assets?). It was after this meeting that Barry was enrolled in the expensive school. It was at this time that the family moved into the penthouse apartment (twelfth floor). Was it at this time that final distribution and/or formation of the Madelyn Payne trust? (Noted in BHO’s schedule E tax form on the WH website) was legalized?

Freeper attorneys say that “, the reason you do a family trust is to avoid having the document of record anywhere and to avoid disclosing what you have in a probate proceeding".

From the Obama files:
…” Related: Obama received two inheritances from his grandmother, Madelyn. He made less than $1,000 from the sale of a “tax-free trust”. A second inheritance -- shares in the Bank of Hawaii where his grandmother rose from a secretary to a vice president -- sold for between $250,000 and $500,000.”….

Note the “tax free trust” was sold, yet another trust is listed in his tax form schedule E, WH web site.

Freeper have wondered why his house in Chicago has an attorney’s name listed as owner. If the house was purchased as an investment through the trust, isn’t it likely to avoid paying capital gain taxes? BO would not want his name, but the trusted name of his lawyer as agent for the trust on the deed? Research the land: Was it located in the area that was going to be purchased and used for the “Chicago Olympic”? Good investment?

Profits from gas/oil would not sit pretty with his base. It could also be seen as a conflict of interest: Particularly when he denies the Canadian pipeline and closes drilling in the Gulf. Would these two actions be seen as influencing the value of his assets?

Other questions that have arisen concern Occidental. Is it coincidence that the School was founded by an oil family?

AND:
…” on his From 1116 (Foreign Tax Credit) he listed the countries from which he derived income as “various” instead of actually listing the countries. (If you or I had done that, we would be getting a letter from the IRS wanting an explanation.) He complains that Romney has off shore accounts, but is not forthcoming on his own.

That’s the bait. Time to go fishing! What can freepers find? Which of the bloggers, media, authors, talking heads, will add to the research? Who will expose Barry? Is he really a “Trust fund kid”? Does he hate wealth, because he’s wealthy? Why deny half of your heritage? Why hide it from your base?

Time to do a complete vetting of the President.

[hoosiermama]

See if you can find out how much income he gets from the Mdelyn Durham Trust listed on schedule E of his tax record on the WH site! Wish we had a tax expert/accountant on FR.

[miss marmelstein]

It’s the mouth. Same mouth.

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

There are other features that are similar also, but you’re right that the mouth is a dead giveaway.

I wonder if FMD knew. He had to at least have suspected, and the fact that he mentored Barry starting at age ten all the way up through when he left for college on the mainland is highly coincidental, to put it mildly.

[miss marmelstein]

I wonder if Stanley knew who her kid belonged to!

[Fred Nerks]

“In every industry there’s usually a backdoor way to get paid OVER and OVER again for a single idea, property, or patent.

“In the drug business, for example, the big money is in patents.

“After all the work is done developing a new drug, for example, a scientist can partner up with a larger company to handle the expenses and risks of testing, marketing, and distribution.

“Then the patent holder gets paid for every prescription that gets filled. The guy who developed the popular pain medication Lyrica, for instance, shares in more than $2 million per month because he owns the patents. The ladies who owned the patents on the anti-fungal medicine Nystatin shared in more than $50,000 per month.

“In the publishing business the big money is in royalties.

“Once you do all the work writing a book, you just sit back and collect your share of the profits. President Barack Obama, for example, makes on average more than $72,000 PER MONTH from sales of his best seller, The Audacity of Hope.

“In fact, this is why we call it the ‘Mainz’ income stream secret.

“You see, the Guttenberg Press, which was invented in Mainz, Germany, is generally considered the invention that first made collecting regular royalties possible, by allowing book publishers and authors to make a fortune after creating a valuable piece of work.

“And to this day, the ‘Mainz’ secret remains one of the great low-risk ways to get rich in America.

“You make just one investment… or control one valuable asset… and then get paid over and over again, while somebody else takes the risk of marketing, development, and distribution.

“Now… don’t get me wrong… I’m not saying you should go out and develop a new drug, or write a book, or record a record, or anything like that.

“You see, what I’ve found is that there are some incredible (and low risk) ways to use this secret as an investor. In short, you avoid all the normal risks of doing business… and simply collect incredible royalty streams for owning a very valuable asset.”

[hoosiermama]

Read through the thread paying attention to the person I mentioned then fr mail me

[hosepipe]

VERY INTERESTING...............

[hoosiermama]

:-)

[Tenacious 1]

Bookmark for research

[hoosiermama]

If you’re ever in Kansas stop by and see if you can get a copy of Charles Rolla Paynes probate papers and mineral rights work
Think you find the real reason he’s against the pipeline

[hoosiermama]

FYI

[Stand Watch Listen]

BTTT

[hoosiermama]

We tried. Family trust are private. Attempts to get the probate records /walls
Just can’t do much sitting at computer
Wish I knew a good PI who would work for free

[combat_boots]

Wouldn’t it be funny (?) if it turns out that the 0bama trust comes from oil money...and that his green initiative covers for his dealing with tankers and chem companies.

Swiss accounts and all. Who knows what’s on his iPhone, since we obviously don’t.

[hoosiermama]

Certainly leans that way.
My theory: Like any good magician the right hand keeps his audience busy while the left hand is up to no good
His book with emphasis on his African / black/ BC. Has kept everyone busy looking in that direction and not looking at the very wealthy other side

Read what we’ve found ( a lot more than me ) and see if you can add anything else

[hoosiermama]

Some information added in comments

[hoosiermama]

Here is the thread from years ago. We took quite a time to do the research thru FR so we wouldn’t be bothered by the “what if”. We wanted material based on pure research Some was from freepers with family experience Some from knowledge and past articles. Connecting dots

[hoosiermama]

Here is the white side of family research. You may have some facts to add. Trying to keep the “club” away

[hoosiermama]

I came to a dead end when couldn’t get hands on the probate of the will. It would have been filed in the county where he died. That county has all their material on line but it wouldn’t allow me to access the records of his death
Dad was alive at the time we had done many many probates together (I helped in his law office.) We deduced that :
1. They had hidden the records from public eye
2. There was no probate because of a family (or individual) trust had been formed to transfer ownership of any property of value

As president one is still allowed to receive income from a trust.

[Fantasywriter]

Thanks for the ping! I read the entire thread. It’s not my area of expertise, but the info is fascinating. Thanks to you and everyone else who contributed. Hopefully more info will come out once Obama finally leaves office!