Posted on 09/13/2012 7:00:17 AM PDT by hoosiermama
Many conservative news people have talked about Obama NOT being vet the last election and it appears that even the authors looking into his history have neglected to thoroughly investigate one area.
The Clinton’s, like good magician assistance distracted with the help of lawyer, Phillip Berg…Look over here! Look at his birth certificate! Those who attempted to look into that fact were ridiculed or ignored.
In an attempt to ignite research facts and questions follow. “Where did the Dunham family get the money to travel?” asked one blogger who listed many on the family trips to and through Asia.
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/barack-hussein-obama-ii-child-of-privilege/
Obama attended expensive school, if you believe the “poor mother “meme, he must have had a scholarship.
BUT, there is another possible answer. Many freepers have added the expertise and research to the following. Here are some of our findings and questions that have been spurred. Media, authors, fellow freepers use this missive as your jumping off point. It is a foundation to build on. Not a final product/
Let’s look at Rolla Charles Payne, his maternal great-grandfather. He is said to be a bookkeeper by profession. (Do you believe his other great grandfather was a goat herder?) True, his 1917 military records show that he was a bookkeeper for a Tulsa Gas company. It has been said that he worked for Standard Oil, but isn’t this the same time frame that Standard Oil was forced by the federal government to divide into many smaller companies and took man of their operations off shore?
On the other hand, when we looked for a Tulsa petroleum company, Kaiser–Francis (the firm that owns a percentage of Solyndra/ check contributions?) appeared. It was in in its infancy in Tulsa.
Are they connected? Were they connected then? …..“1969 George B. Kaiser took over Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., a small family oil firm founded in the 1940s by his uncle and parents, Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, who had settled in Oklahoma. Operations at the time were limited to Kansas. By 2004 the firm had over $600 million in revenues from oil and gas production...... (WSJ, 7/23/04, p.A1)….
The company was in operation and run by a brother and father before the 1940s. It operated entirely in Kansas, mostly drilling.
To believe he was a bookkeeper his entire life would be the equivalent of believing that Mitt Romney’s father died a contractor. A bookkeeper is not the same as an agent, although both work with contracts and leases. If you “google” Payne several articles state he was a “agent”(at least they did when we did the research).
Several freepers informed me that agents wrote the contract/leases between the oil/gas company and the land owner for mineral rights. Several small parcels of land were often bundled together in one larger contact. This was during the depression. Money was scarce. It was not uncommon for the agent to take a small percentage of future income from the minerals extracted from the wells as delayed income. One freeper tells of a person he knew who, died a multi-millionaire, income was one tenth of one percent of producing wells drilled on the land he had arranged leases.
It is projected in one article that the family lived partly off of the income from wells on their own property. Research showed producing wells named: ‘Stanley D’ and ‘Stanley A’. Are they connected?
Rolla Charles was upset when his oldest daughter eloped with Stanley A. Dunham. “He was from the wrong side of the tracts”. In other words: He didn’t have money. The Paynes did.
Rolla Charles Payne died October 23, 1968. He was retired from an Eldorado Kansas Oil/Gas company. There is a museum in that town. You may want to visit it. It is a tribute to the industry. It may even contain information about Rolla Charles Payne.
…Swisher-Taylor & Morris Funeral Home has the records of the Payne’s deaths. Leona died on March 22, 1968, and Rolla on Oct. 22. The Courier published Leona's obituary on March 23, 1968, and Rolla's on Oct. 23, 1968…
Payne’s probate records should be available in the Court House at Augusta, Butler County, Kansas.
Now why is this important? Many of us have dealt with probate. Final distribution usually occurs a couple years after the death of the individual. Notation of family trust might also be in this courthouse.
Madelyn Payne Durham, the elder daughter, and Barack’s grandmother, was not just a Vice President of the Hawaiian bank. She was head of the Escrow Department/Trust Department. If Rolla had not established a family trust at the time of his death to avoid probate, there are two reason why it may have been established at his death: Barack, Sr. and Lolo. Articles published in Africa said that Barack Sr. worked for an oil company, while a student in Hawaii. Hawaii has no oil or gas: Natural resources listed are gravel, lava stone and other building materials. Some found reports of SR. working in a pineapple field for a day. Marrying Stanley Ann and sharing in her assets is not working for an oil company, it is receiving profit from an oil company. Their divorce degree was eleven pages long. WHY? They shared no property, didn’t even live together. What was so involved, and why did Stanley Anne want to make sure she was divorced, even though no record of their marriage has been found and Sr. was already married in Kenya.
….. After he left Hawaii (spending money touring the country; big talk in the bar in California; paying his brother’s bills at an expensive private school etc.) implies that Sr. got money in June of 1962.
It is well documented that Lolo, Stanley Anne’s second husband, also worked for Standard Oil. Interesting?
Regardless, three years after Rolla Charles death, the family (including Sr. met in Hawaii. The meeting would be Christmas of 1971. Pictures document the visit and most assume the "family business" had something to do with custody of Barack Jr. It was after this pow-wow that Madelyn became Barry’s legal guardian (Protecting his assets?). It was after this meeting that Barry was enrolled in the expensive school. It was at this time that the family moved into the penthouse apartment (twelfth floor). Was it at this time that final distribution and/or formation of the Madelyn Payne trust? (Noted in BHO’s schedule E tax form on the WH website) was legalized?
Freeper attorneys say that “, the reason you do a family trust is to avoid having the document of record anywhere and to avoid disclosing what you have in a probate proceeding".
From the Obama files:
…” Related: Obama received two inheritances from his grandmother, Madelyn. He made less than $1,000 from the sale of a “tax-free trust”. A second inheritance -- shares in the Bank of Hawaii where his grandmother rose from a secretary to a vice president -- sold for between $250,000 and $500,000.”….
Note the “tax free trust” was sold, yet another trust is listed in his tax form schedule E, WH web site.
Freeper have wondered why his house in Chicago has an attorney’s name listed as owner. If the house was purchased as an investment through the trust, isn’t it likely to avoid paying capital gain taxes? BO would not want his name, but the trusted name of his lawyer as agent for the trust on the deed? Research the land: Was it located in the area that was going to be purchased and used for the “Chicago Olympic”? Good investment?
Profits from gas/oil would not sit pretty with his base. It could also be seen as a conflict of interest: Particularly when he denies the Canadian pipeline and closes drilling in the Gulf. Would these two actions be seen as influencing the value of his assets?
Other questions that have arisen concern Occidental. Is it coincidence that the School was founded by an oil family?
AND:
…” on his From 1116 (Foreign Tax Credit) he listed the countries from which he derived income as “various” instead of actually listing the countries. (If you or I had done that, we would be getting a letter from the IRS wanting an explanation.) He complains that Romney has off shore accounts, but is not forthcoming on his own.
That’s the bait. Time to go fishing! What can freepers find? Which of the bloggers, media, authors, talking heads, will add to the research? Who will expose Barry? Is he really a “Trust fund kid”? Does he hate wealth, because he’s wealthy? Why deny half of your heritage? Why hide it from your base?
Time to do a complete vetting of the President.
I wonder who we have that could make that happen out of my league for sure.
gonna copy it here to assist the lazy journalist.....;~)
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YOU DECIDE! SEE THE TRUTH OR KEEP YOUR EYES SHUT!
IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS MOVIE, YOU NEED TO BEFORE YOU VOTE NOVEMBER 6TH! (The full movie)
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673%3ATopic%3A986021&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic
Fox Report Regarding Extensive Investigative Articles From The Washington Examiner:
http://www.therightscoop.com/wow-special-report-fact-checks-obamas-alleged-back-story-and-it-aint-good/
Articles From The Washington Examiner:
Introduction:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/introduction-the-obama-you-dont-know/article/2508080
Chapter 1:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-i-a-childhood-of-privilege-not-hardship/article/2508416
Chapter 2:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-ii-the-myth-of-the-rock-star-professor/article/2508418
Chapter 3:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-iii-the-1997-speech-that-launched-obama/article/2508419
Chapter 4:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-iv-for-the-slumlords-defense-barack-obama-esq./article/2508420
23 posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 1:31:32 PM by seekthetruth
Thanks! Sure you know by now that the movie was pulled at the link. It was placed on YouTube by someone (perhaps even the producers, who knows as they want it seen.)and the Tea Party Organization got it from Youtube.
I do hope folks see it and get all their friends and family members who supported Obama to at least see it before they vote in November. They need to see the facts, and if they do some research they will know everything stated in the movie is the truth!
Great post!! Starting some pings here, friend.
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Fox Report Regarding Extensive Investigative Articles From The Washington Examiner:
http://www.therightscoop.com/wow-special-report-fact-checks-obamas-alleged-back-story-and-it-aint-good/
Articles From The Washington Examiner:
Introduction:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/introduction-the-obama-you-dont-know/article/2508080
Chapter 1:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-i-a-childhood-of-privilege-not-hardship/article/2508416
Chapter 2:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-ii-the-myth-of-the-rock-star-professor/article/2508418
Chapter 3:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-iii-the-1997-speech-that-launched-obama/article/2508419
Chapter 4:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-iv-for-the-slumlords-defense-barack-obama-esq./article/2508420
Please start at the top of this thread and read! Can you help too? Freeper ping here because we must help get the truth out!
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mark for later reading, thanks
I am not sure what you are looking for on Rolla Payne. I do some amateur genealogy. In 1930 and 1940 censuses I am pretty sure I have located him. Rolla and Leona were living in Augusta City, Kansas. In 1930 census he was listed as “Bookkeeper, Oil Company”. In 1940 census and occupation listed as “Clerk, Oil Refining Co”. My grandfather lived in Tulsa and my grandfather also worked in Kansas for a while. Similar oil company pattern. This guy Rolla looked like he had a humble existence at least in 1940 - annual income $2200 according to the census.
Several articles state he was an agent. Agent wrote the land lease contracts for the mineral rights. Their pay was often delayed compensation from future well production. One freeper said one tenth of one percent. See if you can find the 1950 census!
If he had formed a trust the income may have gone into the trust. Living frugally was a pattern an entire community nearby exhibited. But those who knew the truth knew they had holdings worth millions kept for future rainy days or their ancestors. (early shares of Xerox IIRC) How would similar assets show up in census?
PT check out kcvl’s posts at forty and forty two.
http://proliberty.com/observer/20080921.htm
40 posted on Saturday, September 15, 2012 4:24:35 PM by kcvl
Sure; the choir will sing this song; but just how will it influence the as yet undecideds out there who will be voting?
SNL had an eye opening take on them last night!
WOW! Check this out.
FREEPERS: Doing the work the mainstream media refuses to do.
It took weeks to gather the material.....We were many heads put together. News people don't have the resources of retired Private Investigators, lawyers, librarians, teachers, gas executives etc etc. FR does.
It's up to the rest of us to get the word out: Emails, FB, Media talking heads. etc. etc.
My BIL saw something on line very similar shortly after this was posted. Others may be looking into this also.
The 1940 census is last one that was just released. 1950 census not available for another 10 years.
Shame we can’t get into the probate records at the courthouse in Agusta Kansas.
Get this information to Glenn Beck. He might be the best at this.
I hope Freepers everywhere will spread the link far and wide!
IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS MOVIE, YOU NEED TO BEFORE YOU VOTE NOVEMBER 6TH! 2012 - Obama’s America(The full movie)
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673%3ATopic%3A986021&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic
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