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Obamacare Redefines 'Full Time' Employment As 30 Hours A Week
Breitbart's Big Government ^ | 12 Sep 2012, 4:16 PDT

Posted on 09/12/2012 6:48:01 PM PDT by drewh

A year and a half after the passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, bureaucrats at the IRS and Health and Human Services issued an 18-page report outlining new regulations that will dramatically increase health care costs for small and large businesses alike.

The regulations, written by an IRS attorney, arbitrarily redefine "full time employee" as someone who works 30 hours a week for a business. Traditionally, most private businesses have defined "full time employee" as someone who works 40 hours a week.

With this new regulation, the federal government is now removing the right of businesses to define "full time employee" as they deem appropriate for their unique conditions.

The IRS rule is key because companies with more than 50 full-time employees must provide health insurance under Obamacare, or be fined.

Business groups have been warning that small companies might try to replace full-time workers with part-time help to avoid being forced to offer health insurance in 2014, but the 30-hour full-time definition is likely to undermine those plans.

The new regulations confirm former Speaker Nancy Pelosi's famous statement made just before President Obama's hallmark health care legislation became law. "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it," she said.

18 months later, we've found out more of what's in it, and most businesses have decided they don't like it.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2012; absolutedespotism; aca; crushfedgov; fulltime; fulltimejob; govtabuse; irs; longtrainofabuses; obama; obamacare; obamatax; obamatruthfile; ppaca; socialistdemocrats; socialisthealthcare; usurpations
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To: drewh

The new “29 hour work-week.” Hope and less “change.”


21 posted on 09/12/2012 7:27:55 PM PDT by Joshua Marcus
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To: drewh

I don’t think even teachers are full time yet with this new definition by our brilliant, brilliant prez...


22 posted on 09/12/2012 7:31:02 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Joshua Marcus

...and those poor souls will still be mandated to pay for coverage come ‘14.


23 posted on 09/12/2012 7:31:52 PM PDT by Joshua Marcus
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To: drewh
The IRS rule is key because companies with more than 50 full-time employees must provide health insurance under Obamacare, or be fined.

This is a back door to single payer. Companies with lots of part timers will just say "oh just fine me" and drop all coverage. Lots of employees will lose the coverage they have as a result. And the government will be there to scoop them up.

Of course Mitt Romney has evolved his position over time from "Repeal Obamacare on day one!" to "Repeal and replace!" to "Keep the good parts" which is his latest position. The trajectory looks like it leads straight to "I really tried but it's so hard to change it...."

24 posted on 09/12/2012 7:42:06 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: drewh

great..unless somebody sues, part-time will now be 29 hours. The feds will get less tax revenue.
or , Employers just start lay-offs, reducing tax revenue to a greater extent.

Brilliant !


25 posted on 09/12/2012 7:43:26 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: drewh
At some point businesses will start hiring minimum wage earners as independent contractors. Then they will issue them 1099 forms, and they will have to pay their own tax's.
26 posted on 09/12/2012 7:48:44 PM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: drewh

Does Zer0 work more than 10 hr/wk?


27 posted on 09/12/2012 7:50:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: drewh
Business groups have been warning that small companies might try to replace full-time workers with part-time help to avoid being forced to offer health insurance in 2014, but the 30-hour full-time definition is likely to undermine those plans.

No problemo; four 7 hour days should do it.

28 posted on 09/12/2012 7:52:35 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Take two Aspirin and call me in November - Obama for Hindmost.)
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To: drewh

so anything over 30 hours is overtime also..


29 posted on 09/12/2012 7:58:48 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: Mike Darancette
No problemo; four 7 hour days should do it.

It'll be more like seven 4 hour days; one hour on, the next off, etc.

That will do it too.

30 posted on 09/12/2012 8:10:35 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: drewh

I think I’ve figured out at least some of Obama’s method; and there IS method to his madness! He gets things going SO chaotic and SO confused that people don’t know which end is UP. Then he issues a proclamation today that contradicts yesterday’s proclamation. He also then proceeds to proclaim which end is UP by decree. - All the while SPEAKING and SPEAKING and SPEAKING, using juvenile Speech 101 methods (Rule #1 - Never sound your “s”s on the end of words as it makes a hissing sound, like a snake - in the grass - and never, never, never get caught with your Teleprompter down - and, whatever you do, don’t dare ever let them see the EMPTY CHAIR or the EMPTY SUIT . . .


31 posted on 09/12/2012 8:27:34 PM PDT by Twinkie (In whose eyes a vile person is contemned. Ps. 15:4a)
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To: EagleUSA

I’m beginning to think they are writing this thing as problems come up.


32 posted on 09/12/2012 8:54:10 PM PDT by berdie
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To: reg45
How will poor people survive working only twenty-nine hours per week at minimum wage?

They won't. That's been his goal all along.

33 posted on 09/12/2012 9:06:29 PM PDT by bgill
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To: drewh; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

...For Obama-care mandates.


34 posted on 09/12/2012 9:10:46 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: DTogo
At what point will we reach the caboose of this "long train"??

In case you haven't noticed, there are no cabooses, or would that be cabeese anymore... And as long as the Nigerian eunuch is in the White House, you won't even see a F.R.E.D.

35 posted on 09/12/2012 9:15:53 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Gene Eric
It’s actually 20 hrs/wk.

Right.

20 hrs/week entitles an employee to full-time pension and vacation benefits if the employer provides these to other F/T employees.

In Pennsylvania for an employee to qualify for health insurance benefits, they need to work 25 hrs/week.

So if the limit is raised to 30 hrs/week an employee who works 25 hrs will lose their benefits.

36 posted on 09/12/2012 9:21:04 PM PDT by zeebee
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To: drewh

This is crazy. Likely to eliminate jobs too.


37 posted on 09/12/2012 9:40:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: zeebee

He thrives on being a disruptive jackass.


38 posted on 09/13/2012 4:04:34 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: political1
The IRS purposely sets a really high bar in determining whether a person is an independent contractor or an employee.

It's not that easy to do:

Common Law Rules

Facts that provide evidence of the degree of control and independence fall into three categories:

1.Behavioral: Does the company control or have the right to control what the worker does and how the worker does his or her job?

2.Financial: Are the business aspects of the worker’s job controlled by the payer? (these include things like how worker is paid, whether expenses are reimbursed, who provides tools/supplies, etc.)

3.Type of Relationship: Are there written contracts or employee type benefits (i.e. pension plan, insurance, vacation pay, etc.)? Will the relationship continue and is the work performed a key aspect of the business?

Businesses must weigh all these factors when determining whether a worker is an employee or independent contractor. Some factors may indicate that the worker is an employee, while other factors indicate that the worker is an independent contractor. There is no “magic” or set number of factors that “makes” the worker an employee or an independent contractor, and no one factor stands alone in making this determination. Also, factors which are relevant in one situation may not be relevant in another.

The keys are to look at the entire relationship, consider the degree or extent of the right to direct and control, and finally, to document each of the factors used in coming up with the determination.

Independent Contractor or Employee

39 posted on 09/13/2012 4:29:25 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: sickoflibs; drewh; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

Diabolical. And if Romney gets elected, his promises of repeal notwithstanding, what are the odds his HHS secretary will change these regulations back to what they were when the media starts blasting him for being “mean-spirited?”


40 posted on 09/13/2012 7:10:58 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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