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3 views on whether states should legalize marijuana
CSMonitor ^ | 09/10/2012

Posted on 09/11/2012 12:21:05 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

This November, voters in Colorado, Oregon, and Washington will consider ballot measures to legalize and regulate marijuana, much as alcohol and tobacco are taxed and regulated. In this first in a series of "one minute debates" for election 2012, three writers give their brief take on the issue.

The 'yes' case is argued by Paul Armentano, deputy director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML). The 'no' position is offered by David G. Evans, a special adviser to the Drug Free America Foundation. And a middle path is suggested by Kevin A. Sabet, who has worked on drug policy under three presidents of both parties.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; drugwar; heroinisdope; marijuana; statesrights; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: Responsibility2nd
Prohibition DID work.

The USA was a Nation of drunkards. Temperance groups were successful in turning this nation around. And after awhile Prohibition was repealed, but the drug alcohol still remains our number one social disease and is still highly restricted.

So was repeal a mistake? Should we bring it back?

81 posted on 09/11/2012 1:53:09 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
said, "Well my liberal friends."

liberal = socialist (today)

Since you clearly stated that you believe in socialistic concepts such as a Utopian vision through regulation and the dislike the roots of conservatism you are using this term incorrectly intentionally.

You are troll

82 posted on 09/11/2012 1:53:24 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Ken H

I have know AIDS patients and the dying who did not do any gardening at all, being sick, dying of cancer and stuff, sometimes make it easier to just whip out the check book for your medicine.


83 posted on 09/11/2012 1:54:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Prohibition DID work.

LOL. Good luck with that argument.
84 posted on 09/11/2012 1:58:21 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Wuli

correction to my earlier post

“that failure CAUSED by the drug” was supposed to read “that failure IS NOT CAUSED by the drug”

the drug (or sex) may crate “an urge”, but it - the urge - can be dealt with, can be overcome, can be defeated and behavior intent on satisfying it can be changed to behavior that does not

“the drug” is not the origin of an addiction - excessive behavior intent on satisfying it in the first place is; repition of that behavior keeps reinforcing it; denial of that repition early on prevents addiction.

addiction is about behavior, it is not caused by what anyone choses to become addicted to


85 posted on 09/11/2012 2:00:22 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: allmendream; discostu

If growing decent pot is beyond your capabilities then fine, I will have to take your word for it, but I have lived in a household where the bulk of the income came from success in that area, it isn’t like running the Glenlivet distillery.

Personally if it is made legal, then I think that I could do just fine.


86 posted on 09/11/2012 2:02:59 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
"Pro-dope pro-smaller government liberals Liberals waiving the white flag on the WOD to show up in 5, 4, 3..."

I believe you and the original poster meant w-a-v-i-n-g.

87 posted on 09/11/2012 2:03:46 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: ansel12
I have know AIDS patients and the dying who did not do any gardening at all, being sick, dying of cancer and stuff, sometimes make it easier to just whip out the check book for your medicine.

Oh, come on. You said it was so easy to grow marijuana. All he would have to do is plant a seed in a pot and water occasionally. That would take no more effort than to drive to the dispensary.

88 posted on 09/11/2012 2:05:54 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Hodar

Another reason we never should have given ‘em the vote in 1919, hehehe.


89 posted on 09/11/2012 2:06:49 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: ansel12

Your post doesn’t follow logically from mine.

I don’t live where pot could grow wild - someone has to water it.

And where pot DOES grow wild - it results in a hugely inferior product due to uncontrolled pollination from wild males.


90 posted on 09/11/2012 2:07:12 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Pro-dope liberals waiving the white flag on the WOD to show up in 5, 4, 3...

That's very Saul Alinsky of you. Define the straw man opposition with a pejorative before anyone even shows up. ROTFLOL

91 posted on 09/11/2012 2:09:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“DU Troll”

yea right, so says the big government “Conservative”

A true Conservative does not simply mouth nostrums about small and limited government - when it suits their fancy, and then deny those principles when they simply want to control someone else’s behavior.

If it is “Conservative” to control pot smokers, then such “Conservatives” better be all for reimposition of alcohol prohibition, less their hypocrisy be on display for all to see; because that’s what it amounts to.

So, if you want to propose the reimposition of alcohol prohibition, go ahead. Meanwhile the rest of us Conservatives - in the tradition of William F. Buckley Junior and others - will ignore who it is you call a “DU troll”, you “DU Troll”.


92 posted on 09/11/2012 2:11:08 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: ansel12; Ken H
MM patients are allowed to grow their own, yet they still pay $300/oz and more in sufficient numbers to generate $100M in tax revenue. That's a real world example, which trumps your speculations.

I have know AIDS patients and the dying who did not do any gardening at all, being sick, dying of cancer and stuff, sometimes make it easier to just whip out the check book for your medicine.

So the majority of dispensary customers are seriously sick or dying? Good to know - I'll cite you as a reference the next time an anti-MM FReeper claims you can get MM if you have a hangnail.

93 posted on 09/11/2012 2:12:42 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Wuli

Fiscal conservative, socially more libertarian.

Get it right.


94 posted on 09/11/2012 2:13:25 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: ansel12

Yaaaawn, now it’s all insults. The facts have been presented, they show you’re wrong, your complete unwillingness to try to present any facts of your own show you know you can’t and therefore are wrong, whether or not you can actually admit it changes nothing.


95 posted on 09/11/2012 2:14:18 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: allmendream

I don’t care about wild pot, never did, not even in the 60s, you are right about it being useless.

The only time I mentioned wild pot plants was to mention having trouble with having to get rid of ‘volunteer pot plants’ that I used to be troubled with and would have to pull up.

California does produce some good pot.


96 posted on 09/11/2012 2:18:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Ken H

I used the word gardening.


97 posted on 09/11/2012 2:20:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Responsibility2nd
My view is first and foremost it should be up to the states to decide. Next I think medical marijuana is a farce. I do believe it has great value in some instances but the vast majority of 215 cards go to people that want to get high or profit from it. Not that there is anything the matter with that. The tax and regulate,te scheme is bogas. The state is against it but if they get their cut than it's cool? What would not be OK as long as the state got their cut. If you legalize it than legalize it for anyone who wants to grow some for themselves tax free. When you let the political whores tax and regulate you will end up with Monsanto and Conagra and like forming the regs. I haven't smoked any in a lot of years but I'm a life long resident of Humboldt county so I have been around it. Prop 215has not been an improvement.
98 posted on 09/11/2012 2:21:37 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: discostu

There was no insult in that post.

If you think that it is too difficult for you to grow usable pot, then I accept that, I don’t want to waste this much time on convincing people that they can do what me and countless thousands have done, and that many do in our forests, and parks, and in their homes and closets.


99 posted on 09/11/2012 2:23:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Pro-dope liberals waiving the white flag on the WOD to show up in 5, 4, 3...

That's kinda funny. I saw you posted this and I was gonna post

"Police State Republicrats (thats you) that really just want their own version of gigantic opressive govt to show up in 5, 4, 3..."

100 posted on 09/11/2012 2:24:05 PM PDT by SwankyC
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