Did Investigator Mike Zullo Rely On 1969 Code #9 for Obama's COLB Or Code #9 from 1961?

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf ^

[Fred Garvin-MP]

Hello. My name is Fred Garvin-MP. I recently watched the Maricopa County Sheriff Department's press conference. It was intriguing to say the least. What caught my attention were the coding numbers on the document put on the White House server for all Americans to see. The code #9 was the essential 'nail in the coffin' that confirmed the PDF version of the birth certificate was a 'definite' forgery.

Now two pro Obama websites claim that lead Investigator Mike Zullo used the meaning of code #9 from a 1969 Vital Statistics Instruction Manual instead of a manual from 1961. Is this true? One meaning for code #9 is different that the other code #9 and that is giving Obama supporting websites ammunition to claim Sheriff Arpaio's Cold Case Posse got it wrong. To clear this up we need answers. I am sure most of you agree.

Here is the 1961 layout: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf

Here is the 1969 layout : http://www.nber.org/natality/1969/Nat1969-71doc.pdf

Fred Garvin-MP

[Responsibility2nd]

Please don’t say sniff, sniff when talking about Fred.

Not with his urban dictionary entry.....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Fred+Garvin+MP

Just. Please. Don’t.

[HiTech RedNeck]

That MP surely does not mean Member of Parliament.

I too smell grody troll with underwear fungus.

[tsowellfan]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio Press Conference FULL VIDEO 7.17.12

http://youtu.be/w3KBv735ko4

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[edge919]

The father’s race, if it was legitimately entered as “African” most likely would have been coded as 2 - Black. The vital statistics report said: “a reported mixture of Negro with any other race is included in the Negro group” ... I’m pretty sure that if the Hawaiian registrar saw African on a birth certificate, they would have assumed it was Negro and would have coded it as No. 2.

[HiTech RedNeck]

There are a few gay blades on FR, but they sure don’t swish those blades in others’ faces. That’s a way to get pounced on with twenty feline claws in a hurry.

[LibertyRocks]

Did you watch the press conference?
Honestly, it wouldn’t even matter much which one they used as the term “African” would never have been used in that square in 1961. It becomes more concerning when one compares the #9 from the earlier manual (the one in use at the time) because it indicates “No Information Given”, which means that square should have been EMPTY, same with the other square.

BTW: Welcome to FR!
May I inquire what the “MP” stands for? Military Police, or something else?

PING to the thread...

[paul51]

not going to look through 246 pages of tables to try and figure out what he is talking about

[mazda77]

Is it Moderator, Administrator or what that we report this stuff to? The next signature is our buddy Fred has not come back to make any counter points. Unusual for someone asking us for answers.

[LibertyRocks]

It might also be of interest to note - are these the SPECIFIC HAWAIIAN codes? Hawaii was in a different system during the time they were transitioning, IIRC. You need to look at the specific Hawaiian code indexes. (I tried to look at the CDC link, but it was taking forever to download.)

BTW: I totally agree with you - I smell ozone like crazy off of this one...

[HiTech RedNeck]

i believe this is troll exterminator central? surely a Male Prostitute (see Urban Dictionary) can join some raccoons in their oblivion?

[machogirl]

Puts hair on your chest to post and then reply.

[philman_36]

And can you tell me, if the 69-71 coding was used and the "DETAIL RACE OF MOTHER" is the "Same codes as Detail Race of Father", why is there...what is that...@an "a"...next to the Mother's place of birth instead of a 1?

The same thing goes for FATHER'S EDUCATION - DETAIL Same code structure as Mother's Detail Education (pgs 16 and 17)
What should the code number be for his education according to the 69-71 coding if that is what was used as a reference?

Just curious and I'm far from knowledgeable on this whole coding thingy. It's all so much harder to figure it out when one doesn't have it all nice and neat like with your 69-71 link.

[Windflier]

Um-hm... Keep talking....

[HiTech RedNeck]

you’re more manly than that troll, ma’am!

[PA Engineer]

Is your retirement a defined pension or defined benefit? Just wondering.

[Windflier]

Surely that’s not how Negro was denoted at the time?

My little brother was born in Los Angeles County, CA in 1961. Where it says 'race of father' on his bc, it says 'negro'.

Some politically correct forger inserted 'African' on Obie's bc. No one would have put that on an American child's bc in 1961.

I highly doubt if anyone would today.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Obama knows all about this and doesn’t even care. It’s like “ha ha ha, I punked you, now you should have known better to ask for it Naughty America!”

[rolling_stone]

To clear this up we need answers. I am sure most of you agree.

Yes answers would be nice, why not ask the CCP?
Here we can only speculate without more information. It does look like they may have made an error without having more information to go on. If so IMO htey should own up to it. These things happen in complex investigations, I doubt it was intentional as that would be foolish.

The other side is putting out a bunch of nonsense that other things have been debunked and IMO have not.

OJ still did it even if the glove did not fit. Its one piece of a ton of evidence.

[hoosiermama]

welcome Fred.
FYI when we were first doing research the term Afrikan pointed to a birth record from several countries on the continent whose government procedures dated back to the Dutch spice routes. Kenya, South Africa and a couple of others use/used three terms to designate race. AfriKan was used for those who were descendant of one of the native tribes. Another term was used for Europeans and a third, derived from the same root word as mulatto for those of mixed heritage.