Posted on 07/02/2012 5:58:14 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
One of the regular callers to my local weekday radio show has been telling me for years the answer to my country’s woes is secession. He makes liberals foam at the mouth but if you take a moment to read a few more paragraphs you’ll see “Rick from Lewes” may be ahead of the curve.
Syria being the possible exception this has been a great week for totalitarians. In Washington and elsewhere across the United States the liberals claim they’ve been vindicated and are planning to chair John Roberts across Capitol Hill. When I was a teenager my Grandmother Colley handed me an old worn book. A History of Pyrrhus was the title and it was a surprisingly good read. It’s also why, unlike the lefties I don’t need to look up the meaning of Pyrrhic Victory.
While “Remember Obamacare” may not have the same ring as some historic rallying cries I see tremendous opportunity for liberty loving people and the candidates seeking their votes. Every candidate for House, Senate and President opposed to the march of big government can now attach Obamacare to a weak economy and that’s the positive side of today’s ruling. There’s also a darker outcome increasingly on the horizon and it’s secession.
I think you’re going to be hearing more people in polite society raising the possibility of going our own way. Do you think there are now more fellow American citizens in Arizona this week considering the meaning of sovereignty?
Some months ago I was watching MSDNC (for research purposes) and Eugene “Marvin the Martian” Robinson of the Washington Post was telling his host the question of state sovereignty had been answered during the Civil War. Really? The war didn’t end when one side raised the white flag and admitted the other had a more valid constitutional argument. It ended when one hungry side grew weary of bleeding. One member of my radio audience this week explained liberals traditionally support the secession of portions of states. West Virginia split from a larger unit during the Civil War and when the shooting stopped and the smoke cleared it never re-entered Richmond’s orbit.
There are a great many more reasons the word secession will gain more currency in political conversation. One of Eugene Robinson’s fellow columnists at the Post is writing about an economic stagnation lasting for generations. Robert Samuelson is neither conservative nor liberal according to his colleagues. He writes simply about dollars and cents and Monday argued the world and its competing nations must blaze a new economic path because as we’ve learned domestically consumer spending as an engine of growth has limits. Such as when indebted consumers can no longer spend.
Samuelson didn’t offer a solution for an obvious diagnosis. He isn’t an alarmist but you don’t need to be a PhD in economics to imagine life could become a serious struggle even for the traditionally comfortable of the Western World. A couple of summers ago the economist Robert Prechter writing a guest commentary for the New York Times predicted the worst economic downturn in three hundred years. Months later I saw him on television and he backed away from his warning. Then this past spring he came full circle, predicting a “deflationary implosion” that would rattle the globe.
Even the most brain-addled liberal understands governments can’t coerce without revenue. See Greece, Spain and California. Eventually the police and jailers don’t get paid and they join the looting and burning. Obamacare isn’t going to break the bank. It was broken a long time ago. The weight of Obamacare and other government programs supported by borrowing and taxing are going to implode the United States. Taxpayers in some states are going to rebel when told they need to pay for bad governance in the Northeast and California. Throughout the Southwest this will be coupled with anger at supporting Central and South Americans running roughshod across borders. When Texas and the Rocky Mountain States secede the federal government won’t have the resources to stamp out the rebellion.
“Rick from Lewes” isn’t just a guy off the streets. He was an assistant at the U.S. Justice Department. Rick worked for Robert Bork. Rick argues the liberals will rejoice as the red states go their own way. It means the left can consolidate power in the remaining Decrepit States of America. Eventually the leftist empire will collapse and the walls will fall and there will be a new dawn for a liberty loving USA. But for a Justice Bork this week.
Lots of Mexicans fought for Texas against Mexico. Lots of legal conservative Hispanics. And the illegals wouldn’t have a vote.
OK, that addresses my question.
“A free Republic of Texas...”
Would be the 8th- or 10-largest economy in the world, IIRC...
“A free Republic of Texas...”
Would be the 8th- or 10-largest economy in the world, IIRC...
” - - - America is in a financial death spiral caused by two Presidents who destroyed 4,000 BILLION dollars each. By any reasonable estimate, this is a US Federal Government-caused disaster.
So, my FR friend, are you saying: “Better the disaster we know than the disaster we don’t know?” Seems like all the frogs in that pot of very warm water are probably thinking that very same thought.
BTW, Article V was designed by our founders to allow citizens to “Escape From Captive Government.” Each State shall hold its own Constitutional Convention.
It will take many years to reach the required majority, 32 States. During that time, those who desire the European Style Feudal System, today called “Socialism”, will be put on notice that their parasitic days are numbered.
37 posted on October 3, 2011 5:18:38 PM CDT by Graewoulf ( obama”care” violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)”
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BTW, note the date of the above FR quote.
FDR began the Forced European Socialism of America with his now bankrupt Social Security System. For almost 80 years the Keynesian “dogma of debt” has ruined the economy of America. Obama”care” is the Death Knell for the finances of America, and the end of the Forced European Socialism Movement.
Bolsheviks Dodd, Franks, Obama and Traitor John Roberts have made the splitting of of the former USA inevitable, each in their own way with no check and balance coming from either political party.
Without an effective check and balance system, the Federal Government quickly shifts into the despotism that has made Europe so popular with Dictators, a point not lost on our Dictator Obama.
Article V Constitutional Conventions are an excellent method to avoid the bloodshed that we had with our Civil War.
I favor multi-State Republics with shared economic interests such as one that includes the States that the XL Pipeline will eventually be built through. Another Republic would be all of the States that the Mississippi River flows through. Atlantic and Pacific Republics are obvious, as is a Republic for the Rocky Mountain States.
In this manner people could vote with their feet and choose the amount of personal Liberty that they desire.
For me it will be the region based the Free Market “Invisible Hand” of Adam Smith, with NO Government safety nets!
There seems to be this conventional wisdom that a secession effort on the part of a state would result in war. I’m not seeing why. There are several historical examples where that has not been the case, e.g. the split of the Czech and Slovak republics. There is a good way to avoid violence; don’t initiate it. And in any case, there are plenty of other political avenues besides secession that have yet to be tried. It may well come to that for some states, but its not the only strategy out there.
The reason any secession attempt will be resisted with force is that the US government has an unstated but clearly known doctrine that ‘secession is illegal’ pure and simple. Any attempt to break away will be violently resisted by any sitting president and he or she will have a lot bigger armed forces to do it with than A. Lincoln did in April 1861. How such an effort will end is another matter.
One can be as gay as Castro Street and if you have an air force, even a second rate one, the amount of destruction meted out on ‘homophobic, racist, xenophobic secessionists’ will be epic.
When the War of Northern Aggression began in South Carolina, there were many, many ideas in the Public’s mind that War was inevitable.
Again in the 1930’s the pervasive sense was that the USA was going to get sucked into another World War. So great was the resistance to such a fear, that the Isolationist Movement was very powerful.
Since then there have been no declared wars, and few massive public inevitability for war periods.
Now the USA does not have the money to fight any wars, let alone a newly formed Constitutional Republic.
Realistically, all Republics would contribute what they could spare to support a defensive Military that protected all Republics from FOREIGN aggression.
States would be responsible for their own borders except when potentially overwhelmed by superior military forces.
Splitting up the USA is all about the money.
After 80 years of Keynesian Debt Theory, the USA is broke.
Obama will end the USA, but America will survive in the various Republics.
The USA is so encumbered with Regulations, that the USA could never be put back together again.
It was all about the money - - -
The crack in your argument that I see is that the splits that led us to where we are now are fundamentally cultural, with ethnic tensions added by the left to divide and conquer the country as a whole. Just as Attorneys General from 26 states banded together to take Obamacare to the Supreme Court, so it will be with secession.
Where Texas goes, so Arizona goes, and Oklahoma, Mississippi, probably Lousiana, Alabama for sure, Georgia and on and on. The problem the Left has is that culturally, the Red states, especially in the South, have a much stronger culture with respect to family, education, work and productivity, and obviously tax revenue generation than bankrupt Blue states like California, Michigan, NY and NJ. The blue states have a much higher percentage of unions, parasites and suck much more of fed revenues than the red ones.
The discussion of secession is not one the Left would want to engage. Their whole existence is dependent on dependents. Look at our own American Revolution to see how the power of the will for freedom and self-determination by the productive class overcomes overwhelming adversities. The dependent class is not suited for such a fight. No discipline, no culture, just pitiable dependency.
If the action is non-violent in the "we want a divorce" mode met with a Texan resolve of "we're just not going to sit here and obey Washington's dictates any more", I think freedom can be won because then neither the Left nor the Right would support Romney in a military response.
The trick would be to erect border fences (on the states) and print currency so that a secession action can begin establishing itself as a new country from the beginning. If you have borders, money and strong leadership with a plan to execute, the new nation can start operations before DC knows what happened.
I think it can be won without firing a shot. The new nation would have to be willing to negotiate with DC on various federal operations on Texas soil (military bases, etc.) and Texas will have to pay for some of their freedoms but if you explain it like a business that divests one of their assets in order to raise funds to keep the other businesses afloat, a capitalist like Romney can even see some sense for the US to let Texas go their own way.
Simply have Texas' governor announce "effective today, we will no longer obey the orders of Washington DC nor send them our tax revenue. We are forming our own nation with our own Constitution and our own currency. We will begin today to establish sovereign foreign relations with any country that wishes to recognize us and commence doing trade with then. We come in peace and do not wish any form of violent confrontation. No citizen of Texas will be held against their will if they wish to leave but if they do leave, we reserve the right to control our borders and those leaving may not automatically be allowed to return..."
Great post. Great ideas. Great ending: “ . . . I no longer have any good will towards lefties. None.”
“Get ‘er done!”
You are correct. There are a lot of Hispanics here but in general I don't sense they have the "activist" mentality that you see in other states. They have a more "along for the ride" type approach. Texans have treated them fairly well and they seem to return the favor. Sure we have some of the protester types but I don't think we have near the numbers of them here. So in short I don't think they would voice much of an opinion at all.
While I'm not a native Texan I have now lived here for 30 years. At this point I can't imagine living anywhere else. I really hope we can turn this thing around in November but I seriously have my doubts. Sending a bunch of new Republicans to DC with the idea that as soon as they get there they will vote to give themselves considerably less power and influence seems like an unlikely event. And that's assuming we keep the house, then take the Senate and the Presidency.
Wouldn’t a Constitutional Convention be an opportunity for people like Obama and Soros to replace what is left of the original Constitution?
“...but I no longer have any good will toward lefties. None.”
Why would you have such an attitude toward psychotic, adolescent, visceral, hateful, Progressive punks?
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IMHO
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