Posted on 07/02/2012 7:55:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
You are free to not eat broccoli, but if you dont the government will impose a penalty on you. This penalty is really just a tax and since the government has the power to tax for all sorts of reasons, they can tax you if you dont eat broccoli.
This is the logic of Justice Roberts argument in the Obamacare case that was handed down today.
This should not surprise us because the Constitution is whatever the Justices wish it to be. Now they have handed the government another mandate to regulate our behavior. As we know they can and do regulate our behavior already. For example, if you smoke, they will tax your habit heavily. It is not a giant leap to force you to do something they want you to do by penalizing you for not doing it. According to todays ruling, there is nothing in the Constitution preventing them from doing this.
The technical details of the ruling are interesting but very disappointing. Roberts justification of the Obamacare Act relied on the taxing power of the federal government as well as the general welfare clause. Roberts shot down the governments reliance on the Commerce Clause to mandate our behavior. He wrote, “The Commerce Clause is not a general license to regulate an individual from cradle to grave, simply because he will predictably engage in particular [interstate] transactions.” Some clever commenters are saying, Aha, that sneaky old Roberts. He always wanted to limit the wide powers of the Commerce Clause and this is how he did it.
This limitation of the Commerce Clause may or may not be significant. Only future cases will answer this question. Based on the history of the Court, I have my doubts that this will impose any new restrictions on the governments broad powers to regulate the economy.
The argument that a penalty was really a tax was, to say the least, a novel approach since the Administration thought it was a penalty and not a tax (the statute clearly points this out). Thus Justice Scalias famous query during argument that the government could force us to eat broccoli under the governments theory of the Commerce Clause was cleverly turned aside by appearing to support the logic of Scalias broccoli argument yet upholding the law under the taxing authority.
The tax argument by Roberts is a good example of finding means to justify and end.
None of this is to say that the payment is not intended to affect individual conduct. Although the payment will raise considerable revenue, it is plainly designed to expand health insurance coverage. But taxes that seek to influence conduct are nothing new. Some of our earliest federal taxes sought to deter the purchase of imported manufactured goods in order to foster the growth of domestic industry.
Roberts’ final words on the subject:
But imposition of a tax nonetheless leaves an individual with a lawful choice to do or not do a certain act, so long as he is willing to pay a tax levied on that choice. The Affordable Care Acts requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax. Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness.
Roberts’ logic is tenuous: none of the examples of taxation he cites impose a tax on something someone doesnt do. If I wish to buy expensive heavily taxed imported goods, thats my choice. Under his logic they could tax me for not buying domestic goods because it serves the goal of fostering the growth of domestic industry. Roberts just makes it up to fit his intended outcome.
The Courts dissenters make quick work of Justice Roberts’ invention (turning a penalty into a tax). Justice Kennedy’s dissent on behalf of Scalia, Thomas, and Alito:
Our cases establish a clear line between a tax and a penalty: [A] tax is an enforced contribution to provide for the support of government; a penalty is an exaction imposed by statute as punishment for an unlawful act. United States v. Reorganized CF&I Fabricators of Utah, Inc., 518 U. S. 213, 224 (1996) (quoting United States v. La Franca, 282 U. S. 568, 572 (1931)). In a few cases, this Court has held that a tax imposed upon private conduct was so onerous as to be in effect a penalty. But we have never heldneverthat a penalty imposed for violation of the law was so trivial as to be in effect a tax. We have never held that any exaction imposed for violation of the law is an exercise of Congress taxing powereven when the statute calls it a tax, much less when (as here) the statute repeatedly calls it a penalty.
Its not a tax, its a penalty.
This use of the taxing power was hailed by most legal scholars this morning as a proper conclusion by Roberts. Most whom I heard couldnt understand why anyone would think it would not pass constitutional muster. Most legal scholars see nothing wrong with expanding federal power to implement social policies they believe are beneficial. This is the living constitution theory which has guided legal scholarship for many years, most specifically since FDRs New Deal. But it is an old argument going back to the Federalists and the Jeffersonian Republicans.
What Justice Roberts has done may be another switch in time to save nine.* Perhaps it is a bit hyperbolic to so suggest this, but clearly he wanted to uphold Obamacare and take the Court out of the political and policy spotlight by this legal sleight of hand. Left-wing commentators are saying how crafty the Justice is to uphold this worthy social policy on the one hand, and yet hew to his supposedly conservative roots with his Commerce Clause arguments on the other. Most of these people could care less about the Constitution: to them the end justifies the means in every extension of federal power.
This is the problem with progressives who think the government has the right to regulate the economy in any way Congress deems it, and the Court is full of progressives. Justice Ginsberg in her opinion said, “The Chief Justice’s crabbed reading of the Commerce Clause harks back to the era in which the Court routinely thwarted Congress’ efforts to regulate the national economy in the interest of those who labor to sustain it.”
The Constitution has been gutted by the Supreme Court, and their butchers work continues. The Founders fear of a powerful central government has been betrayed by the Court. Our original constitutional limitations on federal power have been ground down by redefining the Constitution to suit government goals. A Court can now find constitutional power for almost anything the government wishes to do.
With but a few exceptions we now closely resemble the Nanny states of Europe. And those countries have powerful central governments with few limitations on their power. Now with government-run health care, it would be difficult to distinguish the U.S. from, say, France. After 225 years, we are them. Thank you, Justice Roberts for doing your part.
Come the time when there are 5 liberals sitting on the bench the legal semantics of calling it a tax or upholding it under the commerce provision falls by the wayside. No one ever doubted that the 4 Dems on that court would uphold every provision of Obamacare as they do with ALL marquee Dem legislation. Fir judges afflicted with the Dem mindset, legal precedent is merely a temporary roadblock to be amended on their way to enacting political policy initiatives of liberal legislatures. That is why this whole theoretical concept that Roberts by upholding it under the taxation rather than commerce provision is restricting the overreach of the Court in the future is silly.When that 5th liberal is appointed, the mindless harping of the media looking for an interesting angle to report will have been shown to fly in the face of historical reality of liberal courts mutating legal precedent and the Constitution to enact Dem policy initiatives.
Somebody help me with this.
Roberts said that the mandate was unconstitutional under the commerce clause.
But Roberts said that the mandate was okay under the concept of government having the right to levy taxes.
So, then, does this mean that the federal government can get around constitutional limitations on federal powers, by simply adding a tax to an unconstitutional law?
What am I missing? How does Roberts’ logic flow? Am I an ignoramus? How does this make any legal sense, that an unconstitutional law is okay because of a tax attached to it?
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I find Ginsburg’s decision very interesting, not surprising that there are 4 justices that hold this ideology. ‘Slouching toward Gomorrah’
Did the spirit of Rodney King somehow possess CJ Roberts??
The Constitution is nothing more than a historical curiosity to people like Roberts. His allegiance (obedience) is to the media.
The pirate Roberts works for the globalists. What he did in the last few rulings is what he was instructed to do ... erode OUR Constitution into irrelevance to end the We The People sovereginty. I’m getting tired of posters trying to give this devilman a benefit of the doubt.
“So, then, does this mean that the federal government can get around constitutional limitations on federal powers, by simply adding a tax to an unconstitutional law?”
Roberts means to edict that not only can Washington do that, but their federal Employees will help them should they in their lust for power “forget”.
You cannot be missing logic which does not exist. Roberts only reasoning is that his employers wanted to do a thing and that he had to make it possible as their duitfull employee.
The timing is certainly suspicious.
When conquered by muslims, one may have the choice of conversion, death or pay a tax for life!
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