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Cheaters never prosper.
1 posted on 06/13/2012 1:19:28 PM PDT by kegger8r
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To: kegger8r

Not this 5h1t again!


2 posted on 06/13/2012 1:23:40 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Don't" read 'HOPE' by L Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman...it will bring tears to eyes. BORE!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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"Armstrong has never tested positive."

That's the money quote right there. Bet there are those who don't need actual prof to convict someone.
3 posted on 06/13/2012 1:25:03 PM PDT by JoSixChip (We had an opportunity to get Newt, but you blew it and now we get mitt.)
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They might take away the trophies but they’ll never take away the money. If he cheated he still prospered.


4 posted on 06/13/2012 1:26:22 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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By cheaters do you mean the USADA?

From the article:

“I have never doped, and, unlike many of my accusers, I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one,” Armstrong said in a statement released by his publicist. “That USADA ignores this fundamental distinction and charges me instead of the admitted dopers says far more about USADA, its lack of fairness and this vendetta than it does about my guilt or innocence. Any fair consideration of these allegations has and will continue to vindicate me.”

"These charges are a product of malice and spite and not evidence,” Armstrong’s Washington-based attorney Robert D. Luskin said in a telephone interview Wednesday. “Nothing else explains the fact . . . they allege an overarching doping conspiracy among four teams over 14 years and Lance is the only rider that gets charged.”

5 posted on 06/13/2012 1:27:05 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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Lance, meet George Zimmerman. George, meet Scooter Libby. Scooter, I’d like to introduce you to a few members of the Duke LaCrosse team...


6 posted on 06/13/2012 1:28:06 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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Armstrong's last Tour de France win was 2005. His last Tour de France race was 2009.

According to information available in a google search: From his return to cycling in the fall of 2008 through March 2009, Armstrong submitted to 24 unannounced drug tests by various anti-doping authorities. All of the tests were negative for performance-enhancing drugs

Doesn't seem to be much there in the way of evidence Armstrong actually cheated.

7 posted on 06/13/2012 1:28:45 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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Armstrong denied the charges in a statement: “I have never doped, and, unlike many of my accusers, I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/13/us-usa-armstrong-doping-idUSBRE85C1IN20120613

Not defending Armstrong but if the above is true then he has been damn lucky in the tests or the charges are just that, charges without proof.


10 posted on 06/13/2012 1:32:12 PM PDT by deport
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These whiney Europeans and Europhiles in America need to get over it. Lance is a great athlete and a genetic freak. That is why he was so good. Give it up!


11 posted on 06/13/2012 1:32:18 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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What’re they gonna do? Create a 7-year ‘hole’ atop the Tour de France rankings? Declare that German cyclist the greatest of all time since he finished 2nd on many of those Tours?

It’s like the NCAA stripping basketball & football champions years after the fact because of illegal booster activity. Nobody gives a sh—


17 posted on 06/13/2012 1:40:55 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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USADA made previously unpublicized allegations against Armstrong

Imagine that. Being able to control doping in cycling AND inspect all my meats. Is there ANYTHING Government can't do?

21 posted on 06/13/2012 1:46:00 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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I hope they bust his liberal a$$! He was a major backer of prop 29 her in Kalifornia that would have added another dollar tax on cigarettes.


22 posted on 06/13/2012 1:47:03 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate pragmatists!)
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There are some things I simply don’t like about Lance Armstrong, but this stinks of a witch hunt.

But, as many posters have stated already, actual guilt or real proof thereof is no requirement for an accusation of guilt, nor is it required or desirable for a guilty verdict from certain subsets of people.

To them, guilt isn’t really the question, it is the goal.


24 posted on 06/13/2012 1:48:42 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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I'm no fan of Lance - don't know, he just irks me - but this focus on him is to pull him down and make an example of him.

Having an American dominate the Tour like he did has too much for our cyclist betters in Europe.

and on the subject of "doping", almost every supplement and stack I've used would get me banned from racing. There are still issues with training at higher elevations

26 posted on 06/13/2012 1:50:31 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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Armstrong doped, but he didn’t cheat.

Blood doping has been a necessity at every level of european pro cycling since they first figured out the benefits of boosted hematocrit levels on aerobic capacity in the late 80’s.

As a long time fan, sometime participant and student of the sport I’d be willing to bet a large chunk of change that not a single professional “grand tour” or major classic race from 1990 -> 2005 was won without the aid of EPO, CERA, or autologous transfusions. Its very likely most would involve anabolic steroids, amphetamines and body fat reducing drugs as well.

The bottom line is that the benefits of boosted hematocrit levels in a sport in which the big tours are won or lost on aerobic capacity and power to weight ratio are significant enough that if a single decent rider in a 150 man peloton is on “the program,” the rest have to do it to keep the playing field even.

I’m a Lance fan and I don’t think any of the following diminishes the fact that it takes a ridiculous amount of hard work, dedication and talent to win a race like the tour seven times. The time gaps on decisive mountain stages would probably be similar if they were all clean as a whistle, just uniformly slower.

LA would only be cheating, imo, if what he did gave him an unfair advantage over his competitors. Definitely not the case in this instance.


28 posted on 06/13/2012 1:52:21 PM PDT by gzzimlich
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Armstrong has never tested positive.

At one level, I just don't care that much about bicycle riding.

At another, I'm beginning to wonder if these things aren't stirred up from time to time by agents in order to keep star's names in the news. Both good boys and bad boys control large speaker fees.

Forgotten boys get less.

32 posted on 06/13/2012 1:57:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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Oh Geez Not This Again....


33 posted on 06/13/2012 1:58:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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All the testing that has been done, the previous charges, the fact that tests in 2009 and 10 didn’t turn up anything until now...

They really are desperate to get him aren’t they.

Over five hundred drug tests and not a single fail?

I say string him up!!!!!

/s


36 posted on 06/13/2012 2:02:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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Dateline June 12, 3069

In an affidavit released today the USADA has charged Lance Armstrong, now deceased for over 1000 years, with illegal doping.

President R. U. Kidding states “ We have finally nailed the b@stard”


38 posted on 06/13/2012 2:05:41 PM PDT by Cyman
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That’s gratitude, after he shilled for an unsupervised tax grab from tobacco users. I am sure if he had won, this would go away.


42 posted on 06/13/2012 3:16:59 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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How do they explain his physically larger heart? He literally has a bigger than average blood movement because of this larger heart. (30% larger?)

Is this constant attack a french thing?

If they had HARD evidence where is it? What is the chain of custody of these new new new new new blood samples?


45 posted on 06/13/2012 3:38:45 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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