Posted on 06/12/2012 4:31:20 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
Police officers in Indiana are upset over a new law allowing residents to use deadly force against public servants, including law enforcement officers, who unlawfully enter their homes. It was signed by Republican Governor Mitch Daniels in March.
The first of its kind in the United States, the law was adopted after the state Supreme Court went too far in one of its rulings last year, according to supporters. The case in question involved a man who assaulted an officer during a domestic violence call. The court ruled that there was “no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.”
The National Rifle Association lobbied for the new law, arguing that the court decision had legalized police to commit unjustified entries.
Tim Downs, president of the Indiana State Fraternal Order of Police, which opposed the legislation, said the law could open the way for people who are under the influence or emotionally distressed to attack officers in their homes.
“It’s just a recipe for disaster,” Downs told Bloomberg. “It just puts a bounty on our heads.”
“Downs told Bloomberg. “It just puts a bounty on our heads.””
Drama queen.
Unfortunately some guys get out of control, thinking whatever they do is justified. This has to be stopped.
“’Your right to request assistance from the cops just disappeared.’
‘Not sure that is a right, ie - life, liberty, pursuit of happiness... Just sayin.’”
The right to call for assistance from the police is a civil right, whereas what you list are natural rights. For me to be able to claim the former there needs to be a civil government in existence. For the latter there needs be nothing in existence but myself and God.
I"m sorry, we are talking politics, history, and the strange things that pop up in that mix ~ and although Mitch is a nice guy he really screwed up here.
Of course he's going to be judged based on his grandfather's tales of the good old days when he was running through the bushes for his life.
Being an Arab is ETHNIC ~ hardly racial.
Right up to that point everything was kosher ~ the cops were in the right, the resident in the right, and the soon to be ex-husband in the right.
So when he told the cops he was moving out, that made him the bad guy, and the cops would've been able to shoot him then?
Remove the offending judges before they strike again.
It made him something other than a resident. The wife had called the cops. She had a right to speak to them UNIMPEDED.
Yup, there it is ~ a fundamental item in the Bill of Rights.
All of us have a constitutional right to call the cops. People who interfere with that right are in violation of our rights and can be dealt with harshly.
The day the guy’s name is taken off a legal contract as a resident is the day the home isn’t his anymore.
That's only funny because it's so true
Fine then. Link me to that specific constitutional right.
That’s a mere ministerial process. The dude was out of the marital bed and on his own. There’s no way he could go to court and force the woman to take him back. Rights of residency are much more complex than just having your name on a lease.
That's only funny because it's so true.
I'll second that one.
So.....if my mothers family imigrated from Ireland and my fathers came from Germany, what the heck does that make me?
A McNazi??....oops, sorry, I mean an American McNazi?
Also pretty sure I have some Dutch mixed in there as well.
So is there a 5 month process someone has to go through before owning their own place?
Last I remember, it’s a 5 minute credit check and a check that won’t bounce, then a few signatures and someone becomes a resident. Sometimes landlords want verification of a certain level of income. That’s a 5 minute call to a boss.
I have no idea why you’re acting this way on this thread. If somebody does nothing wrong, and knows they do nothing wrong, why should they still be subject to Nazi-style police tactics with little recourse for a redress of grievances?
Going on with the resident thing... if I have a band, and we go on tour for a little less than a full month, does that make me not the resident anymore, even if I paid my landlord another month’s worth of rent to cover myself due to longer than expected travel time?
I don’t see the words “contact government agents.”
I’m also pretty sure when considering original intent, the Founders didn’t mean someone’s right to contact an overseeing body for simple things that don’t involve them taking something away from you.
“First Amendment ~ to petition the government for redress of greivance.”
You’re saying the first amendment gives you the right to call the police to your aid? That’s not so far as I’m aware what petitioning the government for a redress of grievances means. It refers to the right to petition the government, obviously—though they don’t have to listen—to sue the government—though this is severly limited, and unconstitutionally so according to the courts’ misinterpretation of the 11th amendment—and the right to lobby the government—though this, too, has been limited.
To clarify, when before I said calling the cops to your aid is a civil right, I meant it would be a civil right. If it existed, that is. I don’t think it does exist, however. Whereas cops help us secure our civil right to be protected by the police powers, it wouldn’t be for instance a violation of civil rights for the police not to help you out of a violent situation. If it were, the cops would be liable for every death and injury they weren’t available to respond to or responded to too late.
By the way, I only brought the civl vs. natural right distinction in to show how such a right would be different from for instance the right to life, liberty, and property.
You know; I'm pretty sure the law doesn't protect citizens attacking officers in the officer's home...
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