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To: Tublecane
First Amendment ~ to petition the government for redress of greivance.

Yup, there it is ~ a fundamental item in the Bill of Rights.

228 posted on 06/12/2012 1:41:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“First Amendment ~ to petition the government for redress of greivance.”

You’re saying the first amendment gives you the right to call the police to your aid? That’s not so far as I’m aware what petitioning the government for a redress of grievances means. It refers to the right to petition the government, obviously—though they don’t have to listen—to sue the government—though this is severly limited, and unconstitutionally so according to the courts’ misinterpretation of the 11th amendment—and the right to lobby the government—though this, too, has been limited.

To clarify, when before I said calling the cops to your aid is a civil right, I meant it would be a civil right. If it existed, that is. I don’t think it does exist, however. Whereas cops help us secure our civil right to be protected by the police powers, it wouldn’t be for instance a violation of civil rights for the police not to help you out of a violent situation. If it were, the cops would be liable for every death and injury they weren’t available to respond to or responded to too late.

By the way, I only brought the civl vs. natural right distinction in to show how such a right would be different from for instance the right to life, liberty, and property.


239 posted on 06/12/2012 2:16:18 PM PDT by Tublecane
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