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To: muawiyah

“First Amendment ~ to petition the government for redress of greivance.”

You’re saying the first amendment gives you the right to call the police to your aid? That’s not so far as I’m aware what petitioning the government for a redress of grievances means. It refers to the right to petition the government, obviously—though they don’t have to listen—to sue the government—though this is severly limited, and unconstitutionally so according to the courts’ misinterpretation of the 11th amendment—and the right to lobby the government—though this, too, has been limited.

To clarify, when before I said calling the cops to your aid is a civil right, I meant it would be a civil right. If it existed, that is. I don’t think it does exist, however. Whereas cops help us secure our civil right to be protected by the police powers, it wouldn’t be for instance a violation of civil rights for the police not to help you out of a violent situation. If it were, the cops would be liable for every death and injury they weren’t available to respond to or responded to too late.

By the way, I only brought the civl vs. natural right distinction in to show how such a right would be different from for instance the right to life, liberty, and property.


239 posted on 06/12/2012 2:16:18 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
The right to call the government ~ so it's by telephone rather than written with a quill pen on parchment ~ the meaning is clear ~ to wit: citizens have the right to call upon or ask the government for help (redress of grievance).

This is different than your right to a fair trial, but it is a fundamental right.

There have been times in history where a citizen's attempt to consult with an officer of the government might mean execution.

If you don't like the First Amendment go complain to George Washington and that crowd. They did it. Not me.

245 posted on 06/12/2012 2:26:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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