Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth

My Fox Phoenix.Com ^ | 5/19/2012 | Joshua Wisch

[Elderberry]

OBAMA-ARIZONA BALLOT

Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth

PHOENIX (AP) - The attorney general's office in Hawaii is telling Arizona's secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Barack Obama's birth records, he'll have to prove he legitimately needs it.

Special Assistant Joshua Wisch said late Friday that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett hasn't done that despite numerous email and phone exchanges between their offices.

Wisch says Hawaii state laws require Bennett to show legal authority that this office needs the records to update its official lists as part of its ordinary work.

Wisch says as soon as Bennett gives Hawaii adequate authority, the Aloha State will verify Obama's birth.

Bennett said in a radio interview this week that Obama's status on Arizona's ballot is in question unless Hawaii verifies his birthplace.

Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.

[butterdezillion]

I just have one example that was sent to me. IIRC it was printed about a week after Obama released his long-form.

[Alamo-Girl]

I join in earnest, urgent prayers for our country!

[Graewoulf]

Uh, does the FEDERAL FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT apply to essential information about a FEDERAL OFFICIAL indeed force Hawaii to comply?

[Quix]

INDEED.

INDEED.

I like the joke . . .

4 men walk into a bar

—an illegal alien
—a muslim
—a black man
and
—a communist

walk into the bar . . .

The bartender says

What’ll you have Mr President?

[butterdezillion]

The FOIA only officially applies to federal records. HI has their own open records law, and they supposedly follow the same principles of interpretation as the feds do with FOIA. But in truth they don’t obey any laws there. None.

It was their actions that convinced me I needed to take on this issue publicly, because if we allowed their lawlessness to continue, our whole way of life in America would be at risk. If we become lawless there is nothing to keep us from any of the worst atrocities the world has known. And some of the threats and deaths are starting to be realized by the public now. Obama has given himself permission to do ANYTHING to anybody for any reason, with no accountability at all. All the technologies we’ve developed for military use are now available for our own supposed President to use against US for any reason, with nobody ever able to ask why or make it stop.

These are incredibly scary, critical times. At this point anything can happen. But it started with a lying HDOH that didn’t have to follow the most simple of disclosure rules... the acorn truly grows into a tree that can overshadow everything. If we let the lawless genie out of the bottle with no way to put it back, we’re sunk.

[butterdezillion]

I was looking at the Arizona election statutes, and saw a heading that it seemed was saying that communists are not allowed to be on the AZ ballot. I should look that up. Considering that Obama was a signed member of The New Party, which was the communists attempting to merge with the democratic party in Chicago...

Seems like if Breitbart really has that video of Obama planning revolution against the USA..... it would be a mighty good time to show it to Ken Bennett...

[daisy mae for the usa]

ltr

[Graewoulf]

” - - - The FOIA only officially applies to federal records.”

At what legal point does FEDERAL proof of eligibility to run for the highest FEDERAL elected office in the US FEDERAL Government fall within the FEDERAL Freedom of Information Act?

Is Hawaii in violation then of the FEDERAL FOIA?

Doesn’t FEDERAL Law over rule State law in FEDERAL matters?

BTW, PINGING ALL FREEPERS WHO ARE LAWYERS, what say all of you?

BTW, BTW, a 5-4 NINE SUPREMES decision against Obama would make our FReeper lawyers very famous - - - - . I’m just saying - - - .

[john mirse]

Verification: What does it mean exactly? I'm confused. Could someone help me to understand what it means as it applies to this Obama mess?

1. That is, what exactly is Bennett asking Hawaii to do? What is Bennett asking Hawaii to "verify"?

2. How does Hawaii go about verifying what is on Obama's long form birth certificate? For instance, does it contact Kapiolani hospital, the hospital name on Obama's long form birth certificate to verify that what is on Obama's long form is correct?

3. Or, will Bennett accept a simple statement from Hawaii like the following:

"Yes, we have Obama's original long form birth certificate in our files, and he was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961".

4. Or is Bennett asking for a more detailed explanation and more information than what is in my statement above? Thanks.

[Irish Eyes]

IIRC, Arizona law doesn’t require that Obama or the DNC show a birth certificate. There was a move that I supported to change the law, but it died just after SB1070 was passed. Apparently the legislature (or the Gov) felt Arizona was already taking enough heat and didn’t want to pursue the matter.

I don’t think the current law gives the SecState the authority to decide who is eligible.

That must be why John McCain is running all over saying that obama will be on the AZ ballot.

[SpaceBar]

Verification: What does it mean exactly?

Go to a liquor store where they don't know you and put a twelve pack of beer on the counter next to the register. You'll find out exactly what "verification" means.

[Elderberry]

This is from Ken Bennett’s site :
http://www.azsos.gov/releases/

Ken Bennett’s Statement Regarding President Obama’s Birth Certificate

“First, I have been on the record since 2009 that I believe the President was born in Hawaii. I am not a “birther”. At the request of a constituent, I asked the state of Hawaii for a for a verification in lieu of certified copy. We’re merely asking them to officially confirm they have the President’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response.” - Ken Bennett

[EBH]

That's fine, but still not sure why the reference to me and Texas, the flag on my profile is Ohio.

[john mirse]

We’re merely asking them to officially confirm they have the President’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response.” - Ken Bennett

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This is mirse.

If Bennett is "merely asking them to officially confirm they have the President’s birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response", then I don't think he is asking for much, which means that Hawaii will no problems giving Bennett what he wants, and which also means that Obama will have no problems getting his name on the Nov. 2012 Arizona ballot.

1. A vague Hawaii statement like "Dear Mr. Bennett: Yes, we have President Obama's birth certificate in our possession" really doesn't tell us whether or not Obama was born at Kapiolani hospital in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961.

2. NOTE: It has been a year since Obama released a copy of his long form birth certificate to great fanfare at a White House press meeting in April 2011.

3. But yet Kapiolani hospital officials---Kapiolani hospital is listed on the long form birth certificate---have not said one word about Obama being born there.

4. For instance, why don't they conduct tours to let people view the room where Obama was born and put up a small plaque outside the room stating that Obama's mother stayed in that room in Aug. 1961?

5. I don't see how conducting such tours would be violating medical privacy laws, especially if Obama publicly said that he did not object to such tours.

6. So if Kapiolani continues to be conspicuously silent about whether or not Obama was born there, then I can only conclude the following: Kapiolani hospital will not conduct tours to let people look at the room where Obama's mother stayed in Aug. 1961 because she was never there in the first place.

[john mirse]

Verification: What does it mean exactly?

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Go to a liquor store where they don't know you and put a twelve pack of beer on the counter next to the register. You'll find out exactly what "verification" means.

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This is mirse. I'm sorry, but I don't understand your statement above as it applies to the verification that Bennett is asking for.

Are you saying that all that Bennett is asking for is to see a copy of Obama's Hawaii driver's license?

Because I think that the only ID that the liquor store clerk in my area would ask to see---if he asked to see any ID at all---is my driver's license to verify that I am who I say I am.

NOTE to anyone here: Obama's driver license: Is there any public record of Obama's driver's license for Hawaii, or California, or New York City, or Chicago?

I am curious to know what legal document Obama used in those places to obtain a driver's license. For instance, did he use a birth certificate or a passport?

[john mirse]

Verification: What does it mean exactly?

********

Go to a liquor store where they don't know you and put a twelve pack of beer on the counter next to the register. You'll find out exactly what "verification" means.

*******

This is mirse. I'm sorry, but I don't understand your statement above as it applies to the verification that Bennett is asking for.

Are you saying that all that Bennett is asking for is to see a copy of Obama's Hawaii driver's license?

Because I think that the only ID that the liquor store clerk in my area would ask to see---if he asked to see any ID at all---is my driver's license to verify that I am who I say I am.

NOTE to anyone here: Obama's driver license: Is there any public record of Obama's driver's license for Hawaii, or California, or New York City, or Chicago?

I am curious to know what legal document Obama used in those places to obtain a driver's license. For instance, did he use a birth certificate or a passport?

[bitt]

to #168

read the whole thread. I know, I know,... :)

[kabar]

1. A vague Hawaii statement like "Dear Mr. Bennett: Yes, we have President Obama's birth certificate in our possession" really doesn't tell us whether or not Obama was born at Kapiolani hospital in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961.

The Hawaiian official who puts his/her name on that statement now becomes legally liable for any subsequent criminal investigations. Arpaio's Cold Case Posse investigation could then pursue that in their investigation of forgery or any other misrepresentaton.

[thecodont]

And then the blue dress surfaced.

BO has a "blue dress" too, and it's just a matter of time before we all see it.

[MHGinTN]

Little barry bastard commie has at least two reasons why definitive proof of his illegitimacy will not surface while he is in power: Eric Holder and the Just Us department thuggery; the 'hit squad' established by someone, perhaps Brennen, to silence any threats to little barry dunham's crafted identity. Breitbart was a warning ... and he probably didn't have as damning evidence as exists somewhere safe and ready.