Posted on 04/05/2012 7:58:27 PM PDT by marktwain
Rising numbers of civilian justifiable homicides across the US are closely linked to states with both weak gun controls and stand-your-ground laws, according to a Guardian analysis of FBI and other data, which show a 25% increase in such killings since the controversial self-defence laws started being introduced around 2005.
Stand-your-ground (SYG) measures, which have attracted increasing scrutiny since the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in Florida, allow citizens to use deadly force when they believe their life is in danger, without requiring them to retreat or try to escape the threat first.
Florida was the first state to introduce an SYG law in 2005 and similar measures have now been adopted in some form by more than 20 states. Many were passed in 2006.
The Trayvon Martin case has led to calls for the SYG laws to be reviewed or repealed.
But the Guardian analysis shows that these measures alone cannot be statistically linked with the rise in justifiable homicides. However, in states with both SYG laws and the weakest gun controls – as defined by the Brady Campaign against gun violence – we found a statistical correlation with an increase in justifiable homicides.
Across the US, such killings have risen sharply over the last five years, according to the data provided by the FBI and the Florida department of law enforcement. Between 2001 and 2005, there were 1,225 homicides classed as justifable, compared to 1,528 in the period 2006-2010. By contrast, violent crime overall has been falling.
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Justifiable. Hmm, is it just me, but doesn’t that word imply that the killing was, uh, justified?
And that’s why it’s not called “justifiable murder”?
Note, the emphasis above is mine. So, the reverse is true then? In states with "strong" gun control laws and/or no stand-your-ground provision there are fewer justifiable homicides? Are the people there just nicer? Or are people deserving of getting killed being allowed to live and harm/threaten/kill others?
I'm sorry Guardian, you just made our (us pro 2nd Amendment types) case. Justifiable homicides are, well justified by definition. As if there were any doubt:
By contrast, violent crime overall has been falling.
Let me guess, they didn't investigate any statistical linkage there, any causal relationship. Or if they did, they didn't like the results and therefore aren't reporting on it. Bad people being justifiably killed, and violent crimes are decreasing. Hmmm, that's a tough one... Ok, you got me. I fail to see a problem here, other than the potential for a rise in the demand-for, and cost-of ammunition.
“According to the FBI’s crime reporting handbook, “Justifiable homicide, by definition, occurs in conjunction with other offenses”. It reminds reporting agencies to “take care to ensure they do not classify a killing as justifiable or excusable solely on the claim of self-defense or on the action of a coroner, prosecutor, grand jury or court”.”
On careful reading, the above is a null statement, in that the FBI warns against accepting a defendant’s claim of self-defense, and/or “the action of a coroner, prosecutor, grand jury or court”.
Stupid FBI Butt Monkey quoted in the above (from the article) has left no way to ascertain guilt.
I’m sorry, the nice FBI Butt Monkey wants Holde’s Hoodz to decide.
If J. Edgar were alive, he’d be collecting that Butt Monkey’s panties, after kicking said Monkey’s butt until its nose bled. The FBI has come down a long way, judging from the above.
OK, hate to do this, but I have to disagree with you. There is a more serious problem involved. You said, “ I fail to see a problem here, other than the potential for a rise in the demand-for, and cost-of ammunition.”
Good handguns are getting more expensive, too.
apparently- that’s how liberals think unfortunately- if it’s bad, it must be good- if it’s good, there msut be a law to prevent any more good from happening- so as not to discriminate agaINST ANYONE APPARENTLY
To mostl iberals, morality is a subjective suggestion, to God however, morality is a decree of the highest order- Tha’s evidently why the left hates it so much- it restricts their own sense of justification and is too narrow for their liking- They want God- but they want God to be made in their image-
justifiable homicides == self defense
I’d rather have more dead bad guys then more dead victims
then again, I’m a stupid conservative type that believes in smaller govt and tougher crime laws (whose sentences are actually carried out completely)
Notice the Guardian’s use of a young Trayvon photo and a current one of Zimmerman. Oldest communist trick in the world. Used in Vietnam by Hanoi a lot.
But then again, the Guardian is a marxist rag and always has been. The old US marxist Guardian was a far better paper. At least it told its readers it was marxist.
Good shotguns are still fairly reasonable. They also provide a nice audible deterrent. Nothing quite says "get out of my house" like the sound of a 12 gauge pump jacking one into the chamber. Of course, concealed carry can be a bit problematic.
I wonder if they bothered to check to see that gun crime in the UK is higher than the per capita gun crime in the US. And in a country with one of the highest restrictive gun laws. No more knives with sharp points either, only rounded ones are now for sale. Then too, a country where if you hurt or injure someone breaking into your house you’re the one who is going to be arrested.
Thanks, I was beginning to feel lonely. The first reports mentioned Zimmerman's gun (semiautomatic) as recovered by the police, having a full magazine and an empty shell case in the chamber. The only way I could see that happening is Martin grabbing the gun with his left hand over the slide while he tried to wrestle the gun from Zimmerman. If Zimmerman had his finger in the trigger guard and Martin yanked the gun back towards his chest, it is probable that he in fact shot himself in the chest. The gun fired while he was holding the slide in place which prevented the empty from being ejected and a live round from being loaded into the chamber.
It would be very interesting to see if Martin had nitrate residue on his left palm and forearm.
Regards,
GtG
Yes, that noise will open some eyes.. I suspect readying a 9mm would get their attention as well. But a 12 gauge is something everyone knows the sound of.
at least you can hide a 9mm on your body.
That’s my suspicion as well. Not that such a technical fact will matter to obastard, Sharpton, Jesse, Holder, and Holder’s “my people.” Or the rest of the leftscum...
People exercising self-defense is not a bad thing. Only for the criminals.
Put the shootings in context, how many were deemed to be non-justified? Come on liberal media!
It’s not like permit holders go hunting for trouble. Trouble finds them, like bashing in their doors, trying to rob them, carjack them. Freaking idiots.
All of them wishing they had a gun when their daughter is raped in front of them and the thugs decide to murder the lot of them.
Great point! Going to buy a Mossy 12 gauge this weekend! /no joke
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I’m not seeing the problem.
The more thugs we shoot the less thugs there will be. I don’t see a problem!
To paraphrase John Lott: “More Guns; Less Criminals”
Harry is trying hard to get laid with either Gabriel or Karen.
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