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What if Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman?
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 29 March, 2012 | David Codrea

Posted on 03/30/2012 7:03:25 AM PDT by marktwain

“Obama Campaign: Republicans ‘Politicizing’ Trayvon Martin's Death,” RealClearPolitics reported yesterday, citing an appearance on MSNBC by Stephanie Cutter, Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager.

She was referencing the reaction to the president saying if he had a son he would look like Trayvon.

"His Republican opponents have jumped all over him because they do want to play politics with this issue. The President spoke from his heart on this, it was trying to emphasize with some parents who had just lost a child. By any measure, this was a tragedy and we need to let the investigation take its course," Cutter said.

Amen to the latter part—the investigation should be allowed to take its course. But as for “people hav[ing] to stop politicizing it,” Ms. Cutter exhibited bizarre, in-your-face hypocrisy, particularly considering some of the recent performances by Democrats Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, Hank Johnson, Bobby Rush…

The political left that includes the Sharpton/Jackson self-promotion street theater to the positively loony and dangerous haters represented by the New Black Panthers, has been doing nothing but making hay of this tragedy for political gain while pouring gasoline on the flames of racial mistrust,

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I then asked a question that I believe merits a fair discussion:

Assuming he was not the aggressor, what if Martin had stood his ground and managed to kill Zimmerman? Would not those rallying behind his memory want to use the law to rally to his defense?

Ah, but there’s the rub, some may say. Reports say Martin punched first, and was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him.

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We may never know, but in principle we need to be able to ask what if Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman? Or what if their ethnicities had been reversed? What discussion would we…should we be having then?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; georgezimmerman; killing; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: hoosiermama
The picture of TM was taken from a facebook page he abandoned in 11-2011. It has been authenticated.

And yet, there's the original


41 posted on 03/30/2012 8:19:33 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: marktwain

answering the headline...

Trayvon would have a gun to use now to inflict more fear in the neighborhood where he roamed in his hoodie eating skittles.


42 posted on 03/30/2012 8:20:45 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (How do you say Arkanicide in Kenyan?)
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To: Oztrich Boy

If you have access to that you already had assess to the one used above.


43 posted on 03/30/2012 8:23:00 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: MNDude

> It seems like there is a movement among the left now (like
> OWS) to see if the rule of law can be usurped by rule of mob.

BINGO!!

This is BOLSHEVISM! And the circuses conducted by the Left around “pet” causes is Bolshevik theater.

Bolshevik is Russian for “Majority”, or “the Mob”.


44 posted on 03/30/2012 8:25:03 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook; MNDude

If you haven’t read it, get hold of a copy of Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”. It’s all explained there.


45 posted on 03/30/2012 8:34:56 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Westbrook; MNDude

If you haven’t read it, get hold of a copy of Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”. It’s all explained there.


46 posted on 03/30/2012 8:34:58 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: massmike
"What if Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman?"

You would NEVER hear of the event in the State-Run-Media. You MIGHT find it in the newspaper, right on the same page 24 as the girdle ads......

47 posted on 03/30/2012 8:39:30 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: mrsmel

That’s where the term “magic Negro” came from. It was a description by blacks of the character in movies that makes white people feel good.


48 posted on 03/30/2012 8:39:53 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: hoosiermama

> If you haven’t read it, get hold of a copy of Alinsky’s
> “Rules for Radicals”. It’s all explained there.

Haven’t read it, but I’ve seen excerpts from it here at FR.

What the useful idjits don’t know is they will be among the first to be lined up with their backs to the belt-fed machine gun and their faces towards the trench.

Happens in every totalitarian collectivist-statist takeover, regardless of its name.


49 posted on 03/30/2012 8:42:15 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: MrB

> Something like “they have no armies”, etc.

That was the PIG sellout commie traitor John Kerry.

He was in Viet Nam, you know.


50 posted on 03/30/2012 8:43:41 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: MNDude

I think you are right.


51 posted on 03/30/2012 8:45:46 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: marktwain

“Reports say Martin punched first”

Where are these reports? I have heard witnesses saying Martin was on top punching Zimmerman - but no reports that anybody saw what or who initiated the physical violence.


52 posted on 03/30/2012 8:49:52 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
In TM’s girlfriend's report to the media, she states that TM approached Z and asked “Why are you following me or are you following me?”
Z answered question with a question: “What are you doing in the neighborhood?”

Then she heard the scuffle begin....phone went dead.

She said she told him, (if he was close to home), just run home. According to Z’s 911 call TM did take off running and disappeared. Z was heading back to truck when TM reappeared with the verbal confrontation.

53 posted on 03/30/2012 8:58:46 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama

Nothing in that indicates it was Martin who struck first - it only shows that Martin was suspicious of why this man was following him.


54 posted on 03/30/2012 9:02:51 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Don't know if anyone saw first blow.
OTOH media was making a big deal the TM had no bruises. If Z didn't hit back but only used his has defensively, it would be in Z’s favor not TM’s.
Z’s injuries are documented by police, EMT and visit to DR/hospital the next day (He didn't know his nose was broken until DR examined it)

The angle of the gun and it's proximity to body will be telling when the autopsy report is released. Was told they are waiting on the toxicology report.

55 posted on 03/30/2012 9:55:50 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
That was my point. The article says reports say Martin started the fight - but there are no such reports. AFAIK, and according to all the reports and witness statements I have seen; nobody but Zimmerman or Martin saw what started the fight - and Martin is dead.

So again......

The article says that reports say Martin started the fight.

What reports?

So far...... zero.

56 posted on 03/30/2012 10:00:21 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: BykrBayb
Don’t be so insensible to the victims. Have you no emphasy?

If I smoked, I might have that.
57 posted on 03/30/2012 10:03:00 AM PDT by crosshairs (Civil rights are for civil people.)
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To: Defiant

It fits exactly, the Hollywood pretend worldview. It would apply equally to females -”the magic female”.

Which is interesting that they have conjure up this unreality, because in reality all the really grand discoveries, philosophies, exploration, literature,, art, etc, have come through white males. All the impetus for risk-taking (Cousteau, the first astronauts, etc). This would be a completely different, and poorer, world without all the things white males have brought to it.


58 posted on 03/30/2012 10:05:38 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: allmendream
We don't know that for sure. There were six plus statements initially taken at the scene of the incident. Others taken later. (Content has not been posted)

If John's 911 is not on the list they posted there may be others. This is an open investigation. Material is being held back.

Part of me wants it to go to court. BUT not a jury. Expect the autopsy and clothing would be enough to clear Z.

59 posted on 03/30/2012 10:08:04 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: crosshairs

I thought that was Exphasy.


60 posted on 03/30/2012 10:15:39 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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