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Early Reports from Supreme Court - Kennedy Gets it
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Posted on 03/27/2012 9:05:53 AM PDT by Bill Buckner

Kennedy apprears to be very critical of Mandate provision. LA times headline "Justices signal possible trouble ahead for health insurance mandate," they note:

“Are there any limits,” asked Justice Anthony Kennedy...

“If the government can do this, what else can it … do,” Scalia asked?

Politico headline, "No Fifth Vote Yet to Uphold," ...

"The conservatives all express skepticism, some significant. They doubt that there is any limiting principle.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: anthonykennedy; scotus; scotusobamacareday; scotusocareday2
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To: loveliberty2

Progressives do not believe in GOD... they think that they are GOD.

LLS


21 posted on 03/27/2012 9:38:44 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: MrB
-- "how can we allow this particular instance pass constitutional muster without saying that everything is allowed?" --

That's always the case. SCOTUS (actually, just about any judge) can easily figure out some mumbo-jumbo to allow the laws they do like, and call the other ones unconstitutional. The federal power to prohibit pot is constitutional, because Scalia is in favor of federal drug prohibitions.

22 posted on 03/27/2012 9:40:30 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: drpix

Let’s not kid ourselves. Ginsberg and the other leftist judges know exactly what the US Constitution is written to mean. They aren’t idiots. They are intelligent people with an agenda, and the US Constitution, as written, stands in their path. Leftists are by their very nature barbarians. They follow the law when it supports what they want. If not, they do as they please. Seriously. None of them could care less what the constitution actually says. It’s all theater, acting like they’re listening as both sides make points. The leftists will reach the conclusion they want, liberty and the US Constitution be damned.


23 posted on 03/27/2012 9:43:16 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Bill Buckner

Kennedy may see the problem, but may decide to solve the problem but creating an arbitrary carve out exception specifically for healthcare. That’s just how he rolls. If I had to guess, I’d say that after his leftie friends spend the next month or 2 hammering away at him, he’ll create a “compromise” where he finds that the government can only do this under these particular circumstances. He’s not afraid to manufacture his own “limiting principle” out of whole cloth. Of course, when he’s gone, so is the “principle”, but he doesn’t think that far ahead.


24 posted on 03/27/2012 9:43:39 AM PDT by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: rawcatslyentist
No, the government has not done this. The wheat farmer produced wheat at his free will. The marijuana producer produced marijuana at her free will. Both produced a product that theoretically had affect on commerce (supply and demand). The government has not to date forced a non-producing citizen to enter into commerce. To date, the government has not forced a citizen, for just existing, to enter into commerce via a penalty. Notice, I said penalty not tax. Obamacare's mandate is a penalty NOT a tax so, don't bring in SS or Medicare taxes into this debate. Also, don't bring auto insurance into this debate because 1) auto insurance is a state issue and 2) if it became a federal issue the citizen would only have to purchase insurance if he purchased a car.
25 posted on 03/27/2012 9:46:08 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Bill Buckner
And this from a USA today source: “Ginsburg asked whether the mandate was necessary to keep the uninsured from passing off the costs of their health care on others. “It’s not your free choice just to do something for yourself. What you do is going to affect others, affect them in very negative ways,” she said.

Spoken like a true comrade

26 posted on 03/27/2012 9:47:57 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: aflaak

P2P


27 posted on 03/27/2012 9:50:02 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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To: Mack the knife

Interesting, thanks for the information.


28 posted on 03/27/2012 9:52:32 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: loveliberty2

Any thing the fore fathers wrote that followed with the word “GOD” the Liberals will repute no matter how much sense it makes...


29 posted on 03/27/2012 9:52:47 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: GeronL

those are four leftists who are going to end up highly exposed over their complete lack of logical function


30 posted on 03/27/2012 9:54:54 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cboldt

If you’re talking about Gonzales v. Raich, that was clearly ruled incorrectly. The federal government clearly has the right to ban the interstate trade of marijuana. Justice Thomas ruled correctly.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1454.ZD1.html

The marijuana in question was never bought or sold or transferred across state lines. I’ve posted many times that I oppose drug legalization, except maybe decriminalization of marijuana. States have the right to make drugs illegal within their borders, and the federal government has the right to regulate drugs in interstate commerce. However, it cannot be reasonably argued that the US Constitution grants the federal government the authority to regulate non-commerce within a state.


31 posted on 03/27/2012 9:56:27 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Bill Buckner

But, but, but I was looking forward to being FORCED to buy an online class on race relations put out by the New Black Panthers...


32 posted on 03/27/2012 9:59:20 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: goodnesswins

Losing the mandate pulls the plug on the funding. Sebelius would still have the power to issue decrees ordering the Catholic Church to pay for birth control, or for insurers to allow your kids to stay covered until age 45, etc. But the whole thing would immediately begin to go bankrupt.

And you can be sure that the insurance industry will do a sharp 180 and begin lobbying intensely for repeal once they learn that they won’t be getting 40 million new customers at gunpoint.


33 posted on 03/27/2012 10:02:34 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: loveliberty2

Thank you for this post!! Awesome quote from TJ!!


34 posted on 03/27/2012 10:11:22 AM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: Bill Buckner

IOW you are free to buy any car you want, HOWEVER you have to buy a chevy volt first they if you have more money you can buy another car if the government allows two car ownership.


35 posted on 03/27/2012 10:27:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All

we have to be careful because he could just be fleshing out a way to support the mandate.


36 posted on 03/27/2012 10:35:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: goodnesswins
The problem is the purpose of the mandate is to grab your money...creating another kitty just like SS/Medicare which the government can tap at will.

When is someone going to ask what the government is going to do with the "penalty TAX" money.

37 posted on 03/27/2012 10:43:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Chgogal
The ill or injured, create services and products to aid them.

We are dealing with totalitarian weasels here! Expect the Spanish Inquisition!

38 posted on 03/27/2012 11:17:24 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (3 little girls murdered by islam, Toulouse March 2012 . Time for the Final Crusade!!!!!)
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To: MrB

CAN work. The penalty isn’t anywhere close to what insurance costs, so reducing the penalty to $0 doesn’t change much. Either way, enough people will abandon paid insurance that the gov’t will have to shell out billion$ to keep the healthcare industry afloat (too big to fail, dontcha know).

Exactly as planned.


39 posted on 03/27/2012 11:27:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: GeronL
It should be 9-0 in a normal world but leftists don’t live in our reality. Everything is politics to the left, everything. These leftist judges would decide the Constitution is unconstitutional if they could get away with it.

Excellent perspective, and absolutely true.

In fact, by replacing the Doctrine of Negative Rights of the pre-14th Amendment, with a Presumption of 14th Amendment Administrative Jurisdiction, they LITERALLY DID declare the original Constitution unconstitutional.

40 posted on 03/27/2012 11:30:33 AM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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