What If Oil and Natural Gas Are Renewable Resources? (Evidence mounting on limitless supply of oil)

American Thinker ^ | 03/18/2012 | Greg Lewis

[SeekAndFind]

President Barack Obama and his green energy confederates are determined to scare the public about a declining supply of "fossil fuels." If we accept the idea that oil is produced by the conversion of organic matter -- from plants to dinosaurs -- under extreme pressure, we must also accept the idea that there is a limited supply of oil and that we've got to do everything we can to find a replacement for fossil fuels before we run out.

The evidence is mounting that not only do we have more than a century's worth of recoverable oil in the United States alone (even if there is a limit to the earth's oil supply), but that we also actually have a limitless supply of Texas tea because oil is in fact a renewable resource that is being constantly created deep under the earth's surface and which rises upward, where microscopic organisms that thrive in the intense pressure and heat miles below us interact with and alter it.

In other words, we have an unending supply of oil, some of which is constantly migrating upward from the depths at which it is created to refill existing oil deposits, and much more of which remains far below the surface. This oil can be recovered using existing technology. Scientist Thomas Gold presents the decades-old theory of "abiotic" oil-creation, which supports these facts, in his book, The Deep Hot Biosphere. In it he explains that the idea of the "biotic" creation of "fossil fuels" -- that decaying organic matter is compressed into oil -- is incorrect. In fact, the earth is constantly producing new oil very deep below its surface, and in some cases the oil flows up to replenish existing oil fields thought to be exhausted.

[Publius6961]

LNG is contained in heavily insulated vessels, at atmospheric temperatures. The LNG must be below -259°F at atmospheric pressures to remain liquid.

The more I learn about oil, the more certain I am of the ignorance and incompetence of our so-called "leaders."

Natural gas is so plentiful, it is actually still flared in many places around the world (better than the alternative, releasing methane to the atmosphere.) Gas has less useful energy, but can be used efficiently in many areas that presently use oil, releasing gasoline-producing oil for uses that can't work efficiently (yet) with other fuels.

That makes the Keystone pipeline so critical. Canadian gas can be used for winter heating, for instance with dramatically fewer "environmental concerns" than coal.

Fortunately (for the US,) it is economically astronomically silly to ship the stuff around the world in refrigerated ships, but proven economically to ship it through pipelines at low pressure. That's why Canada can't ship it "worlwide" to Japan or anywhere else. It is an environmental marriage made in heaven to have Canadian gas next door.

But the moron social engineers are too stupid to realize it.

We need that Keystone pipeline on line ASAP, no matter what else happens.

The ecolofreaks will have coronaries all over the place if Canada is forced to flare all the gas they have that they can't use and can't ship, while producing oil, and can't afford to compress and return it to the bowels of the earth.

[Publius6961]

Keep reading the thread. When you reach this post, ask me again if you want.

Roger, Wilco.

Got to go out for a bit. Later.

[GonzoGOP]

And if natural gas why not also OIL in some form.. be present as well

It is a lot easier to make an argument for inorganic methane than it is for inorganic oil. Inorganic methane as both you and I pointed out, exists both in the atmospheres of the gas giants and in vast pools on Titan. Since methane exists where there is no life, there must be some inorganic process to create it. You either have to prove life exists on Titan, which would in and of itself be seriously cool (OK on that mood seriously cold), or there is an inorganic source for the vast amounts of methane.

Likewise last year measurable amounts of methane has been found in the atmosphere of Mars. Methane breaks down in ultraviolet light from the sun in less than a year, so scientists know it is being replenished in some way from the planet itself. There are only two options, either there was life on Mars, or there is an inorganic source of methane. It has to be one of the two and either one is an awesome discovery.

Methane concentrations on Mars

Unfortunately no such proof exists for the complex hydrocarbons like oil. As was pointed out earlier complex hydrocarbons break down into methane. But going the other way is a lot harder. Not impossible, but a lot harder.

I know that absence of proof is not proof of absence. But that has always been a cop out argument. We have yet to find oil on Earth or anyplace else that is clearly inorganic. That doesn't mean it is not possible, but if it is a common occurrence we should be finding more. If it is possible, but uncommon, it doesn't change the math enough to matter except as a scientific curiosity.

[zeugma]

I’ve always agreed with abiotic oil but would add that we need to determine the “balance point” of our use v. abiotic production.

That's long been my question as well. Once we know how fast it can be replenished, we know how to modulate the extraction rate to balance extraction vs production. 

[hosepipe]

Could be there is some process (microbe or not) that converts methane into hydrocarbons... Meaning methane is the source for natural oil generation.. Methane and “oil” are frequently found close together.. Maybe “oil” deposits were once methane deposits..

Possibly methane can be made into “oil” and “oil” can be made into methane.. if the process was known.... Could be possible to enhance a planet increasing methane “production”.. you know “aiding” the process..

Wonder if this “MEME” has been entertained..
Could be “oil” coming from “dinos”(plants) is pure bull squirt..

[GonzoGOP]

Possibly methane can be made into “oil” and “oil” can be made into methane.. if the process was known.... Could be possible to enhance a planet increasing methane “production”.. you know “aiding” the process..

Oil breaks down into methane naturally. The Fischer–Tropsch process goes the other way. It is what the Germans used in WWII to make synthetic fuel. However we haven't found the process operating in nature.

[aruanan]

The oil seeps are the migration of oil up from the depths that is not trapped and pooled by geological formations. This is happening around the world. The same is true of the outgassing of methane and helium. It’s going on everywhere but it’s in places that are cold enough and with enough water pressure that methane hydrates are formed. Remember, many extremely large oil fields are directly upon basement rock. That oil didn’t sink down from a higher source.

[GonzoGOP]

Natural gas is so plentiful, it is actually still flared in many places around the world (better than the alternative, releasing methane to the atmosphere.) Gas has less useful energy, but can be used efficiently in many areas that presently use oil, releasing gasoline-producing oil for uses that can't work efficiently (yet) with other fuels.

Turn it into Methanol. Great fuel especially if you throw a little gasoline in to prevent corrosion. Easy to pipe around and you don't need cryogenic storage or new distribution systems. Sure you have to burn twice as much, but if you can get it cheap enough just put in a bigger gas tank. Less pollution that gasoline. Makes a lot more sense than using corn to make Ethanol. Not that using food (or at a minimum cattle feed) to make Ethanol ever made a lot of sense to start with.

[crusty old prospector]

The only fields that I am aware of that lie on basement such as in the Texas Panhandle have had lateral migration from the Woodford Shale out of the Anadarko Basin. There is some production from the underlying granite wash that sits on fresh granite basement but the production is out of fractures as granite has no porosity. I believe there is a small amount of Precambrian oil in Australia that has been sourced from stromatalites but it is a rarity. Most people stop drilling in basement as they know they have hit a dead end. The rest are just pouring good money down a bad hole.

[aruanan]

The only fields that I am aware of that lie on basement such as in the Texas Panhandle have had lateral migration from the Woodford Shale out of the Anadarko Basin. There is some production from the underlying granite wash that sits on fresh granite basement but the production is out of fractures as granite has no porosity. I believe there is a small amount of Precambrian oil in Australia that has been sourced from stromatalites but it is a rarity. Most people stop drilling in basement as they know they have hit a dead end. The rest are just pouring good money down a bad hole.

Excerpt from On The History of Science Professor N. A. Koudryavtsev (1893-1971) and The Development of The Theory of Origin of Oil and Gas (Earth Sciences History, Volume 16, Number 1, pp. 17-20, 1997) - P. N. Kropotkin

More to be transcribed later.

KOUDRYAVTSEV

N. A. Koudryavtsev revived Mendeleyev's hypothesis on a modern basis. In 1959 his monograph Oil, Gas and Solid Bitumens in Volcanic and Metamorphic Rocks was published in Leningrad; 1963 saw the publication of his mongrah Deep Crustal Faults and Oil Fields, and in 1973 his basic work appeared under the title Genesis of Oil and Gas. It summed up all the most important data that confirmed the inorganic origin of hydrocarbons known at the time.

In this work a very important empirical generalization was formulated whic is now known as "Koudryavtsev's rule." This rule is formulated as follows: "The most important of regularities that are observed in all oil-bearing areas, without exception, is that if oil or gas are present in one horizon, they will be present also at all lower levels, at least as traces of migration through the cracks." This statement is valid, whatever the composition of the rocks, the condition of their formation, (both metamorphic and crystalline rocks), and the content of organic matter in them. "At those levels at which there are good collectors and traps, accumulations of industrial interest may occur." (7, p 140)

In the following twenty years Koudryavtsev's rule was confirmed without any exceptions in all oil fields which had been drilled to a sufficient depth. The most convincing examples are those where gas-saturated waters and oil fields are found at the lowermost layers of the sedimentary cover, directly situation on the crystalline basement. In such locations there would be no place for any so-called "source rocks" of oil between the lowermost sedimentary levels and the basement. The only source of hydrocarbons may be the cracks, the channels of outgassing from even greater depths. The presence of fluids, probably with admixtures of free hydrogen and hydrocarbons, in the middle and lower part of the continental crust and in the mantle at depths of 40 to 180 kilometers is suggest by the presence of layers with increased electroconductivity. These are seen in the data of magnetotelluric soundings and electrosounding using the MHD generators (1, 8).

An outstanding example confirming Koudryavtsev's rule is provided by the oil fields of the Volga-Ural region. Here the main oil fields were found in the multicolored and red colored sediments of the middle Devonian, deposited under oxidizing conditions, and this excludes any possibility that the oil was produced in that region. These oil deposits are located below the upper devonian layers which are rich in organic matter. Since oil is lighter than water and migrates only upward, this implies that the upper Devonian layers could not be the source of the oil. Some oil-rich levels in the lower part of the middle Devonian are situated almost at the surface of the crystalline basement or only a few meters from it.

Similar interrrelations have been known for a long time in the oil-containing formations of the North American platform (Kansas/Wyoming). This is in the lowermost layers of the Precambrian, where oil is situated in sandy rocks and in granites and gneisses on the surfaces of the crystalline basement. In recent decades similar facts were discovered in Russia during the survey of the fields of the Baykit anticline and the Nep-Botuob anticline on the Siberian platform. Oil and gas are seen here in correlation with deposits of the lower Cambrian and upper Proterozoic layers, i.e. with lower layers of the sedimentary blanket lying on the crystalline basement. IN the Verkhnye-Chonsk oil field oil is soaking the weathered crust of the basement and oil and gas condensate inflows are observed in the oil wells drilled into the basement (6). Similar relations are found in the USA (Illinois/Michigan), in Australia, in Oman (oil field Birba in deposits of the lower Cambrian) and in China (oil field Xinglontai and others)(12).

ln the Algerian Sahara the connection between the oil-bearing structures and meridionally oriented faults is noticeable. The oil fields are connected with deposits of Triassic, middle Carbonaceous, Devonian, Ordovician and Cambrian. (In the last one the main body of oil of the oil field Hassi-Massoud is concentrated.) Oil is encountered even deeper, up to the upper cracked part of the crystalline basement of the African platform that was reached by the drill. IN the basement rocks themselves and in in layers of the upper Paleozoic lying on it, the presence of oil is known in the fields Rurd-Bagel and Recullier, that of gas in fields Zarzaitin, In-Akamil and others.

In many cases the connection is apparent between the oil and gas fields on the one hand and structures situated above the fault lines or adjacent to grabens and rifts on the other hand. The same is noticeable in the locations of oil and gas fields in the North Sea, in the Don-Dniepter depression and in the West Siberian lowland. In the multi-layered fields where accumulations of oil are concentrated at several levels, situated one below the other, a degassing pipe is seen through which the migration of hydrocarbons appears to have taken place, reaching from the lower to the upper part of the stratigraphic section. For example the Har-yagin oil province on the edge of the Pechora basin contains 35 oil fields at levels of various ages, from middle Devonian to lower Triassic. Inside such a vertical zone the major and minor oil and gas condensate fields are encountered with abnormally high pressures in horizontal slabs as well as in "inverted cups" which represent geochemical and temperature anomalies and contain traces of the transport of hydrocarbon gases. The high pressure in the liquid an pores suggests intrusion of these fluids from depth. Apparently they penetrated from subcrustal layers of the upper mantle where there is a reducing environment. A fluid-gas phase here contains much hydrogen accompanied by methane, together with nitrogen, carbon monoxide, hydrogen sulfide and helium.

New confirmations of the theory of N.A. Koudryavtsev are shown by studies of the fluid-gas phase exuding from the ocean floor at the so-called "black smokers", and also by the discovery of methane hydrates in deposits of the continental slope crossed by faults, as well as by the presence of bitumens contained in the carbonaceous chondrite meteorites.

[crusty old prospector]

In this work a very important empirical generalization was formulated which is now known as "Koudryavtsev's rule." This rule is formulated as follows: "The most important of regularities that are observed in all oil-bearing areas, without exception, is that if oil or gas are present in one horizon, they will be present also at all lower levels, at least as traces of migration through the cracks." This statement is valid, whatever the composition of the rocks, the condition of their formation, (both metamorphic and crystalline rocks), and the content of organic matter in them. "At those levels at which there are good collectors and traps, accumulations of industrial interest may occur."

One of the most bogus rules I have ever read. He obviously never worked Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, and East Texas and found the exact opposite to be true. Rarely, except for on some four-way anticlines, does any production occur below the pay in the field. You can look at any deep tails drilled on development wells and the mud logs rarely show anything more than a popcorn fart. It is about the timing of when the trap was in place and at what maturity the source rocks were. But if you want to try to round up some investors to pony up for an exploratory well into the bowels of the basement, then go for it. As Wallace Pratt so eloquently stated, "Where oil is first found, in the final analysis, is in the minds of men."

[aruanan]

One of the most bogus rules I have ever read. Rarely, except for on some four-way anticlines, does any production occur below the pay in the field.

Well, geez. At least try reading it for what it says, not for what you appear to be assuming it says.

This rule is formulated as follows: "The most important of regularities that are observed in all oil-bearing areas, without exception, is that if oil or gas are present in one horizon, they will be present also at all lower levels, at least as traces of migration through the cracks." This statement is valid, whatever the composition of the rocks, the condition of their formation, (both metamorphic and crystalline rocks), and the content of organic matter in them. "At those levels at which there are good collectors and traps, accumulations of industrial interest may occur."

[nvscanman]

The issue is.....we are almost certainly using petrochemicals at a faster pace than the planet
produces them. Sooner or later you reach a point
where there isn’t enough. That’s the issue....not
the “finite amount” people believe in.

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

I suspect, tho, that we are still on the “up” side of that equilibrium curve.

[ecomcon]

Keep in mind they only want to see that stuff until it starts becoming successful and popular. Then they want to shut down the windmills because they kill birds and so forth. The environmentalists' goal is to punish humanity for existing. Every other goal they claim to have is just something they use as an excuse.

I agree. This is why the left is a front for the hater of mankind, that rebel Lucifer, the Devil, Satan.

[Double Tap]

You are right, only a fool or an internet idiot would ever state that Crude Oil came from Dinosaurs. That is because nobody has ever stated that that knew anything about it.

On the other hand, the stupid is so thick in this thread that only a fool or idiot would try to argue with it.

[Double Tap]

And he would agree with the newbie.

[netmilsmom]

>>And he would agree with the newbie.<<

He would agree that he has a 5th or 6th grade education?
Right.