HEre kitty, kitty, kitty...
Posted on 02/22/2012 3:28:43 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER
This morning Glen Beck was discussing "what is a Christian" and used the full title of the LDS Church as proof they are Christians, not some whacked out cult based on a modern day "prophet".
He also spoke of how Soros thinks of himself as a god.
As a disclaimer, every member of that church that I've ever met was a clean living, humble and generous person...but that doesn't make them Christians.
Belief in the resurrection isn’t what makes someone a Christian.
Mormonism is the doctrine of demons.
Wow. Congrats God. You seem to have the authority to nulify the power of the ressurection for anyone calling themself a Mormon.
II,
To believe in the “resurrection” of a created spirit-being, who became one of an infinite number of mormonic gods - and one of 4 Mormon Earth Gods - is meaningless for salvation.
Faith is only as good as the object of that faith. A faulty object delivers no eternal benefit, regardless of whether you believe that faulty object resurrected, was polygamous, became a god, etc.
If Christ can have any identity, He has no identity. Mormonism perverts the identity of Jesus Christ, just as it does the Gospel of Grace, the atonement, the very Omnipotence of God, and His plain statement that He alone is God.
To wrap the multiple perversions of mormonism all up and say that if you believe someone, somewhere resurrected, ergo, that makes you a Christian, is false.
It is also a heresy.
And Swoosh....just like that there goes the simplicity of the ressurection and gospel message flying right out the window. Make sure you bring this thesis with you next time you’re out “witnessing.” lol.
After reading your argument here, I wonder if you know Christ? If you understand the Gospel of Grace.
The Apostle Paul DID know Christ. The REAL CHRIST.
His argument about the resurrection as ONE thing is predicated on Christ being God. Not a god.
His argument is predicated on Christ’s ETERNAL life as God being sacrificed for mankind. Not a created spirit-being.
To reduce the Gospel to only believing in a resurrection, of anyone, is itself a heresy. No other Name is given by which man may be saved.
That Name is a Person. Not any person.
Your argument is that it is the resurrection - apart from The Person who had the ability to lay down His eternal life - saves.
It does not.
However, this is America, Land of Cults. Proceed as you wish.
mormons believe they need a temple recommend to go to heaven...do you have one?
I wouldn't assume that...........
When did they start the need for temple recommend to go to heaven?
You STILL haven’t read your homework assignment?
Do NOT complain at grading time!
simpler than bttt
You are confused, it seems.
MORMONism, SLC style, CLAIMS the AUTHORITY to be able to say who is and weho ISN'T a MORMON.
http://newsroom.lds.org/article/church-seeks-to-address-public-confusion-over-texas-polygamy-group
At least, II, you got an answer (which you try to spin) instead of the rogue Spelling Police offficer getting on your case!
Or are you just trying to tie up Barney, while the town goat eats dynamite?
The reason for your grade, son, is that you've handed in homework for a MATH class.
This is ENGLISH!
Uh.... just about the same, exact time they INVENTED the coveted Temple Recommend, I would say.
HEre kitty, kitty, kitty...
there are three destinations for eternal life
according to mormon theology
the celestial kingdom is heaven where only mormons go and you do need a temple recommend to have the masonic rites performed at the temple in order to go to heaven and become a god
the telestial kingdom is a slum area of heaven not unlike this planet and it is for the people who led good lives but weren’t mormon, or mormons who didnt fulfill their church responsibilities and they become ‘ministering angels’ (slaves) to the mormon gods
the terrestial kingdom is for the people who were evil and is basically eternal purgatory
they tell people ‘everybody goes to heaven’ but one level of heaven is like hell, and another level is the slave shack out back where even Gandhi and Mother Teresa are at the good mormons beck and call
as with everything else theres the story they tell you when youre coming in the door and then theres the story they tell you after youre hooked to make you even more obedient and subservient...bishops/stake presidents will hold the issue of a temple recommend over someones head to coerce them into anything they think the church requires but the member isnt delivering, basically they are blackmailing them with their eternal life
if its really necessary ill cut and paste a few hundred morg testimonies to that effect, i know mormons are afraid of google
WARNING!!!
This site is a KNOWN time waster!
Although the good it does in providing much needed information on a, until now, highly problematic occurance, one could lose themselves in the various links provided and not return to normal life for perhaps hours!
Almost as bad as clicking on just ONE YouTube video!
Especially beware the testimonials and the case studies!
(Witnesses have reported that channel 6, in Indianapolis, had a video report that the Super Bowl Festivities were interupted by a GOAT, but the EVIDENCE seems to have been scrubbed from their website: http://www.theindychannel.com/index.html )
What's that old saying about a BOOK and it's COVER?
Personal Salvation
LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie declared:
Full salvation is attained by virtue of knowledge, truth, righteousness, and all true principles. Many conditions must exist in order to make such salvation available to men. Without the atonement, the gospel, the priesthood, and the sealing power, there would be no salvation,. Without continuous revelation, the ministering angels, the working of miracles, the prevalence of gifts of the spirit, there would be no salvation. If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (M.D., p. 670).
Notice that McConkie mentioned at least fifteen things that are essential to individual salvation in the above quote. Pres. Joseph Fielding Smith said, “Individual Salvation,” or “exaltation,” is that which man merits by “obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel” (D. of S. Vol I, p. 134). Four of those requirements are mentioned in the fourth Article of Faith (quoted at the beginning of this chapter). But, many other things are required if one expects to achieve godhood in the highest glory of the celestial kingdom. The following are among the requirements for “individual salvation,” beginning with the fourth Article of Faith.
Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
Remember that the Christ of Mormonism is a”literal son” of a Father and Mother God, and is a spirit brother of Lucifer. He became “a god” through eternal progression, and was married and had physical offspring. His atonement provides resurrection for all men and opens the door so men can “work out” their individual salvation. For more information about Christ, see our chapter on God.
Furthermore, LDS do not believe that faith justifies anyone. Apostle Talmage said, “The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil” (A. of F., p. 480). He also calls it a “pernicious doctrine” (Ibid., pp. 107, 480). But, Paul said, “We conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Rom. 3:28). He also declared, “Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Rom. 5:1). Paul warned, “But though we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” (Gal. 1:8-9).
A number of years ago there was a popular saying that went something like this: “I know you think you understood what you thought I said, but what you heard was not what I meant.” We remember smiling in recognition of the problems we have communicating with one another. For decades Protestants and Catholics have faced a serious problem when talking to their LDS friends about Christianity and the Bible. This was especially brought to our attention recently as we read a speech by Theodore M. Burton, a Mormon General Authority. He recounted a conversation he had with a young stewardess while traveling on a plane to New England:
“She told me that she had recently been converted from her former manner of living and was now ‘saved.’... she was now a ‘born-again Christian.’... She said, ‘...I am now on the path of eternal life.’... she said, ‘I have felt a marvelous spiritual change come over me which has purged all evil from my soul.’... ‘...I’ve had a sanctification experience, not through any work that I or any other person has done for me, but a work of grace whereby Jesus has pardoned my sins and promised me eternal life. I don’t need any formal church organization to accomplish this....’ She added that she had truly been reborn spiritually. From her words, I knew she did not understand what is meant by being ‘born again’ nor what is termed the second birth.” (The Ensign, Sept. 1985, p. 66)
Later in his speech, Elder Burton observed: “When people of the world speak of being ‘saved,’ they refer to being saved from death to rise in the resurrection.” (p. 68) Burton’s comment demonstrates that he did not understand what the young woman was saying. When Christians speak of being ‘born again’ or ‘saved’ they are referring to eternal life, not just resurrection. Mormons divide ‘saved by grace’ and ‘eternal life’ into separate conditions, Christians do not. Bible verses such as 1 John 5:12-13 and John 3:16-17 portray faith in Christ as the necessary act to receive eternal life. When Christians talk about ‘being saved’ or ‘born again’ they understand that to include everlasting life in God’s presence. Mormonism, however, teaches one can be resurrected to a part of heaven — they divide it into three parts — but still not have eternal life! Latter-day Saints believe the only ones enjoying eternal life will be those who have been both baptized into the LDS Church (born again) and married in one of its temples. Spencer W. Kimball, 12th president and prophet of the LDS Church, taught:
“Only through celestial marriage can one find the strait way, the narrow path. Eternal life cannot be had in any other way. The Lord was very specific and very definite in the matter of marriage.” (Deseret News, Nov. 12, 1977, Church Section)
In his speech, Theodore M. Burton maintains salvation by grace is that “which Jesus Christ gives to every person who has lived on the earth, and is independent of the works we do. But to be exalted to eternal life and to be able to live the kind of life that God the Eternal Father lives requires not only the gift of grace that Jesus gives to all mankind through his atonement, but that gift coupled with our own obedience and conformity to all the requirements of righteous living prescribed by the gospel of Jesus Christ. Exaltation, or the eternal life Jesus spoke about, comes from a partnership with Jesus Christ, which begins in the ordinance of baptism, by which we are reborn, and is developed through a lifetime of righteous living.” (The Ensign, Sept. 1985, p. 68-69) Elder Burton also says this on page 68 of the same article: “Thus, through the atonement of Jesus Christ, together with the proper ordinances performed in the proper manner by proper authority and coupled with obedience to the laws and commandments of God, we can be saved from spiritual death and can be exalted to live in the presence of God the Eternal Father.”
Thus we see how differently Mr. Burton and the stewardess were approaching the words “eternal life.” Traditionally, Christians have insisted that God revealed all things necessary for eternal life in the Bible, citing such verses as John 20:30-31: “And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” Mormonism, on the other hand, goes far beyond the Bible to the revelations of Joseph Smith for its final word on doctrine.
The language barrier goes very deep and stems from the fact that Mormons have such a totally different concept of God and humans that it colors all their theological statements. In an official LDS handbook titled, Achieving a Celestial Marriage, Mormonism declares its belief in a God who was once a human on another earth, along with his wife, and that they are now resurrected beings who have achieved Godhood:
“The gospel of Jesus Christ teaches that man is an eternal being, made in the image and likeness of God. It also holds that man is a literal child of God and has the potential, if faithful to divine laws and ordinances, of becoming like his heavenly parent.... God is an exalted man who once lived on an earth and underwent experiences of mortality.... The progression of our Father in heaven to godhood, or exaltation, was strictly in accordance with eternal principles,... His marriage partner is our mother in heaven. We are their spirit children, born to them in the bonds of celestial marriage....
” ‘God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man,...’ (Smith, Teachings, p. 345.)...
“Remember that God, our heavenly Father, was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we ourselves, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is (Orson Hyde, JD, 1:123.)” (Achieving a Celestial Marriage, 1976, page 129)
Another LDS manual holds out the hope to faithful LDS that they, too, can one day be Gods over their own earths:
“Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life that God lives.... We can become Gods like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation.... Those who live the commandments of the Lord and receive eternal life (exaltation) in the celestial kingdom... will become gods.... They will have their righteous family members with them and will be able to have spirit children also. These spirit children will have the same relationship to them as we do to our Heavenly Father. They will be an eternal family.” (Gospel Principles, Published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1986, pages 289-290)
Mormonism maintains God and man are the same species and part of an eternal procession of men becoming gods. Included in this concept is an innumerable host of parent-gods, grandparent-gods, etc., extending back into the past. Christianity, on the other hand, sees God as unique, holy, eternally existing as God from all ages past as well as future. Christians have cited such passages as the following to support this belief:
“... I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
“I, even I, am the Lord and besides me there is no saviour.” (Isaiah 43:10-11)
“God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (Numbers, 23:19)
Writing in Galatians 1:8, the Apostle Paul declared: “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” The reader will remember that in our lead article we quoted President Joseph F. Smith as claiming that “an angel of God, with a drawn sword, stood before him [Joseph Smith] and commanded that he should enter into the practice of that principle [i.e., polygamy], or he should be utterly destroyed, or rejected.” Joseph Smith also told this same story to Mrs. Lightner when he tried to persuade her to enter into the practice. While it is possible that Joseph Smith made up this story just to talk young women into going into plural marriage, Paul’s warning in Galatians would lead us to conclude that if such “an angel” did, in fact, appear with “a drawn sword” in hand it would have to be from the wrong source. Paul also warns that “Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” (2 Corinthians 11:14)
While the present Mormon leaders have given up the idea that exaltation comes from plural marriage, as we have already shown, they still maintain that “Eternal life cannot be had any other way” than through celestial marriage in a Mormon temple. In other words, they still cling to the same revelation which Joseph Smith gave to establish polygamy (Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132). This is clearly some “other gospel” than what we find in the Bible. Jesus Himself proclaimed that “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:15) Moreover, the Apostle John declared: “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.” (1 John 5:13)
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