Posted on 01/20/2012 10:14:36 AM PST by Pyro7480
Liberals are crowing about what they see as a huge victory for them — and they are right — because this victory comes at the expense of religious liberty.
Welcome to the Obama 2012 reelection plan: ignore and marginalize people of faith, pander to the far-left’s sexual-political priorities.
This via the far-left site ThinkProgress
Today, in a huge victory for women’s health, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced that most employers will be required to cover contraception in their health plans, along with other preventive services, with no cost-sharing such as co-pays or deductibles. This means that after years of trying to get birth control covered to the same extent that health plans cover Viagra, our country will finally have nearly universal coverage of contraception.
Opponents of contraception had lobbied hard for a broad exemption that would have allowed any religiously-affiliated employer to opt out of providing such coverage. Fortunately, the Obama administration rejected that push and decided to maintain the narrow religious exemption that it initially proposed. Only houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of the same faith will be exempt. Religiously-affiliated employers who do not qualify for the exemption and are not currently offering contraceptive coverage may apply for transitional relief for a one-year period to give them time to determine how to comply with the rule.
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“TC just another child... a daughter..what is that #9 or 10 now for her?”
Was it Robert Frost who said, “A baby is God’s opinion that life should go on”?
Congratulations to them, and may the Lord bless and keep them.
“So hail to the 500 million population future ruled by the godless elites who think themselves “Gods”; many women have drunk the kool-aid already and have cyanided the future of western civilization!”
So true. Japan announced a cash award to Japanese women who had babies by Japanese men.
Don’t know if it’s still going on or not.
“No. I am not uninformed.”
I didn’t say uninformed. I said *disinformed.” If you are laboring under the delusion that contraception is not harmful, then you are most certainly disinformed.
“I am a grown woman.”
Lots of grown people are disinformed on various subjects.
“As is my daughter.”
Yeah, I have adult daughters, too.
“You act as though we are idiots.”
No, actually, I don’t. You’re over-reacting.
“There is nothing about birth control you can tell us we do not know.”
Oh, come on. Really? Can you really believe that?
“We are adults making our decisions about our healthcare with the guidance of our doctors.”
You are adults making decisions on the basis of evidence withheld, and false evidence presented.
“We are not simple minded addled idiots.”
Neither are you such geniuses that you can’t be lied to. As Lincoln is reported to have said, “You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time; but you can’t fool all the people all the time.”
Are you in a group that wouldn’t be included in either “some of the people” or “all of the people?”
“We are in control of our bodies and our reproductive organs”
So, God has nothing to say about it, eh?
“and there is not a politician in the world I want in my gyn’s office. This is no one’s business except ours but most esp..it is Not the business of the government.”
That same thing can be said of any crime now on the books, and it’s no more valid for contraception than it is for rape or murder.
“And what pray tell is your option to birth control that has been around for 50 years?”
Of what significance is the length of time for which they have been available? After decades of thought, study, and discussion, I have come to the conclusion that the Catholic Church has it right. Even if I were an atheist, I would adopt that position on utilitarian grounds.
Contraception is not a crime. You still have not answered my question. What is your option? Yes. There are risks. There are risks to pregnancy also. You are not going to do away with birth control. My question to you is why do you want to? It is not your interest in the health of women. That much is obvious. You have another motive.
I certainly agree with you concerning the govt telling any religious organization they have to provide birth control. The rest of what you said....uhm..not so much. But I respect your right to say it.
“But I respect your right to say it”
Oh don’t give me mealy mouthed, platitudes...you don’t respect my right to say it but the constitution says you can’t stop me from saying it! But I bet you would if you could!
Blood diamonds =Blood contraceptives; same difference, people die!
“Contraception is not a crime.”
Should be.
“You still have not answered my question. What is your option?”
I think I did, by pointing out that your question makes no sense whatsoever. The options are these: contraception or no contraception.
“You are not going to do away with birth control.”
Depends on how many people come to their senses.
“My question to you is why do you want to?”
The answer to that would require more typing than I’m willing to do, and more reading than you’re willing to do.
If you really want to know, you can find that theology on the Internet.
“It is not your interest in the health of women.”
The phrase “the health of women” makes me want to bazooka-barf myself right to death.
That whole barrel of nonsense is predicated on the idiotic notion that patriarchal phallocrats did not want women to have good health care.
“You have another motive.”
Your prejudices will not allow you to understand that my motive is the welfare of the human race.
You make no sense. Contraception will never be banned. Women would never allow it. Nor should they. Delusions can and should be medicated. I do not mean to be rude but your comments are those of an extremist and that is not a good thing. I shall leave you with them.
“You make no sense.”
I guess saying that is a lot easier than trying to understand a complex issue.
“Contraception will never be banned.”
Nonsense.
“Women would never allow it.”
You really don’t understand that every “advance” women have made has occurred only because men allowed it, do you?
“I do not mean to be rude”
Yes, you do.
“but your comments are those of an extremist”
Ah, the last arrow in the quiver of the leftist. My position is extreme only in its opposition to your extremely immoral and culturally suicidal position.
“and that is not a good thing.”
Of course it is.
“I shall leave you with them.”
You mean you flee them.
Just offer one form of contraception, an Aspirin, with written instructions on how it is held firmly between the knees.
You are sadly mistaken. The advances women have made is because of women. Oh, yee men who underestimate us. Woe is you. We do not live in a patriarchial society. For so long men have been under that delusion. It is only the weak, inadequate and often impotent man who mewls about how men need to take care of and make decisions for, women. It suggests a sad inadequacy. And again, the one time I have ever agreed with Romney is when he told Snuffleupagus “No state will ever ban contraception. No state would want to. Contraception is working just fine. Leave contraception alone.” Not gonna happen. Nevah! Bet your boots on it.
You sound much like a parrot for the taliban. In some ways. Really you do.
I apologize for the above post though it contains truth inasmuch as it is simply an opinion. But..I know you. I have known you all of my days. You live in a small place and your days are coloured in greys. The colour of smoke. Your life has become a vignette, the edges frayed and burned with the anger borne of frustration knowing the world will never be as you want it. And I imagine you have found yourself alone. And you feel that is best. That does not mean you might not have people in your life, at a distance. And that grey? It is also the colour of sadness. I know you. I have known you all of my days.
So, you’ve just given up trying to defend an indefensible position and gone to personal attacks. Oh, well, it never takes a leftard long to start flinging mud.
“I have known you all of my days.”
You not only don’t know anything, you don’t even suspect anything.
Just heard my youngest daughter holler that my youngest grandson just took five consecutive steps, and that’s a lot more interesting than this idiocy.
Go on back to Democratic Underground—the Hogwarts of Stupid—you’re not fooling anyone over here.
Yet you will never know the day when contraceptives will be banned. This is not a leftist position. My world is full of conservative women. Not one of them would stand for this. Not even those who are Catholic. I am sorry you saw my reply as “name calling.” That was not meant. I was sincere in what I said and I stand by it. I do know you. Better than you will ever know. I know what you are saying and I know what you are not saying. We shall leave it at that. You will never see this world as you so badly want. Not gonna happen.
Leftist libtard? Hogwart of Stupid? And yet you are so sensitive to name calling? There is nothing stupid or leftist about saying contraceptives will never be banned. That is the position of the right also. Sorry. And it is you who resort to name calling and hate simply because someone does not agree with you. This shows weakness. Alot of weakness....yours and that of your indefensible position.
And overnight, one thought lingers. What kind of adult uses the term “libtard”? It makes one sound foolish, juvenile and weakens one’s debate. It begs the word ...Silly. If you were 15, one might just roll one’s eyes, but you and I both know you have many more years. Not very manly, if I should say so myself. I disagree with many friends and family members. Yet, we do not argue nor do we insult or name call. We simply have different opinions, liberals, far left, conservatives and some far right. Never do we insult. Nor shall any of us use such pathetic terms as Libtard. Silly, silly, silly. Brings to mind a goose spraying spittle in a fit. Not attractive or manly.
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