Posted on 01/19/2012 7:51:31 AM PST by maggief
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Paraphrasing Marianne Gingrich’s account, Mr. Ross said, “He came to her and said I want to stay married to you and still have an affair with Callista.” Marianne said Mr. Gingrich asked her “share” him, Mr. Ross said. That was unacceptable to her and the marriage ended.
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I don't.
The problem is that two days before the South Carolina primary, it is probably too late to rebut what she said. Furthermore, this new accusation is in line with a pattern of prior bad behavior by Gingrich.
Gingrich certainly should have known this was coming. I suspect he has a battle plan prepared. The trouble is no matter what he says, it will almost certainly sound horrible.... either insincere false repentance that should have been said years ago, or meanspirited attacks on his ex-wife, bringing out dirty laundry.
We'll see how he (and Callista) respond. I grant that Gingrich is brilliant, so maybe he has an idea how to solve this. I can't imagine what it could be.
317 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:10:37 PM by mnehring: “Call me when we are voting for a Pope. At least, unlike Clinton, Newts screwing wasnt screwing the legal system and public. Considering the country is getting screwed, might as well get someone who has first hand experience in that.”
I'm well aware we aren't voting for a religious leader. If we were, I wouldn't have supported Ronald Reagan. I've voted for numerous candidates in the past for federal, state and local office who would not be considered as a candidate for elder in my church or in some cases even allowed to be a church member.
That's not the point.
I said this on a different thread: “We cannot let the Republican Party turn into something comparable to conservative parties in Europe where gross immorality in the leaders of Italy and France is not just tolerated and winked at but actually considered to be no big deal, and just something powerful men do.
The stakes are too high. We're already seeing Freepers seriously argue that Gingrich's past adulteries are a private matter between him and his wife. That is not true. And it should not be something said by conservatives.
Nominating Gingrich, under current circumstances, will enable the worst segments of secular conservative politics. It will show the American electorate that the conservative wing of the Republican Party turned against three men (Romney, Perry and Santorum) who as far as anyone can tell, never cheated on their wives and were faithful to the teachings of their respective churches, and decided instead to back a serial adulterer and put him up against a Democrat whose politics are poison but who appears to have a stable marriage.
In my book, that is too much to lose.”
You’re a sick old turd.
You’re a sick old turd with lousy HTML skills.
If the headline COULD read (which it can’t) Perry, Romney, Santorum, or Paul etc. (or, for that matter, the name of any Democrat)....my guess is the reaction would be much different, Christian conservatives would believe the story, be in a rage cheering for the candidate’s demise and career destruction.
Do Rush supporters really believe the “at least he asked permission” comment, justifies the behavior?
With politics, it doesn’t matter who the target is, sadly it seems behavior is always judged by which camp you’re sitting in.
Gingrich’s ex-wife (Marianne, #2) called him on his birthday to tell him she was getting a divorce; he came home to find the house empty, all the furnishings gone. They actually ended up getting a separation, and it was during this time that Gingrich met Calista. BTW, the separation papers contained a clause permitting both parties to date other people. This is not unusual for a separation and is not an “open marriage.”
A few years later, they reconciled, I suspect because Marianne is a very needy person and Gingrich seems to have a track record of being perhaps overly responsible in making up for his errors (he married his first wife, who was his highschool teacher who seduced him when he was 16, after she had gotten pregnant; he was 19 when he married her over his father’s objections).
This reconciliation did not last very long, and they separated again and then were divorced not too much later.
former fellow cheater becomes secondwife wife...gets dumped
tries to torpedo his life 20 years later with her fellow travelers in the media
Newts daughters come to defend their daddy
odds are she will come across as what she is
have you seen her
not very sympathetic
former fellow cheater becomes secondwife wife...gets dumped
tries to torpedo his life 20 years later with her fellow travelers in the media
Newts daughters come to defend their daddy
odds are she will come across as what she is
have you seen her
not very sympathetic
Oh NO!
I've been diagnosed from afar!
What EVER shall I do?
Its funny how Mormons will scream about Newt but ignore their religion's view of polygamy.
Absolutely!
But we already know that the American electorate is stupid. See Obama, Barack Hussein.
What guy would not want that arrangement? One with depth of character. One with integrity who honours his wedding vows. One who truly defines marriage as between one man and one woman. What kind of guy would want that arrangement? Smarmy, sleazy, slimey and one with a problem only Bob Dole can solve.
Amen!
If the Establishment Republicans think they can ALWAYS give us a pro-abortion candidate in sheep's clothing and we'll just "roll over" and support him as an anti-Dem scenario vote, then...
#1...that's all we'd EVER get again from them...
#2...they don't know our conservative conscience very well.
If Mitt won the nomination...
...and if I voted for him...
...one day I'll have to explain to our Creator why I voted for someone who only four years ago...
-- a full three years after claiming to be "pro-life" due to a tale about realization who embryos were...
--and a full year after campaigning as "pro-life"...
...he (Mitt) told Katie Couric the following:
Couric: So what kind of embryos - embryos that are created for procreation and then would be discarded? Are those the ones that you feel are perfectly fine from which to cull cells for stem cell research?
Romney: Yes, those embryos that are referred to commonly as surplus embryos from in-vitro fertilization. Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a PARENT decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of RESEARCH, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law.
Source: CBS, original interview aired Dec. 4, 2007, Candidates Reveal Their Biggest Mistakes
Any of you "parents" want to "donate" one of your offspring that the Creator has provided to you for "research" purposes? And then you still have the gall to call yourself "pro-life?"
I believe that no matter what you may do, the Creator already knows the what and the why of it. I don’t think any explanation is necessary.
Why would anyone want the job nowadays, with the way the media probes into every single little detail of your life?
It's almost becoming a "Catch-22"-like thing, the fact somebody even wants the job in the first place, would suggest that they aren't playing with a full deck to being with.
While it’s known, it still concerns me it may do enough damage still since it’s a new to many people allegation.
However, the latest polling doesn’t show that, which is good news.
I didn’t say I wasn’t for Newt, and I loved his responses last night. I am switching from Santorum back to him despite his flaws at this point.
Thanks, hon. Newt has some great assets. But his deficits are mighty and it scares me. Hope he can actually listen to the Gd he talks about.
Sorry I missed your post until today. I'm not assuming that; as I said to Grunthor, "The problem is that two days before the South Carolina primary, it is probably too late to rebut what she said. Furthermore, this new accusation is in line with a pattern of prior bad behavior by Gingrich."
It's now after South Carolina. Gingrich won, fair and square, and by a large margin. He deserves credit for that, and frankly, I don't have a good explanation for why the most conservative and most strongly Bible Belt parts of the state seem to have been the sources of his strongest support.
I guess my hat is off to Gingrich. He's proved -- and proved with a double digit margin of victory -- that lots of conservative Christians in a Bible Belt state are willing to vote for a three-times-married man with multiple past adulteries. I'm not sure what that says about the future of America, but it definitely does show that Gingrich has a fighting chance at winning the Republican nomination.
@ Livius (re. #327): We have no disagreement about Newt Gingrich's two ex-wives appearing to be people with serious problems themselves. The question is whether “for better or for worse” means what it says.
I think many of us in conservative Christian circles can think of fellow church members who are personally devout, successful at work, appear to have their own lives in control and children who are respectful and walking the Christian walk, but privately have spouses at home who are major problems and who would be a huge liability to them if serving as elders or deacons, or in other public positions. An apparently wonderful home life may appear that way only because the husband spends a huge amount of time trying to keep his wife happy. The stories of Gingrich's ex-wife calling him ten times per day ring true; I've heard of numerous similar situations and personally know of several.
I Timothy and Titus have clear qualifications for church office, and they're there for a reason.
I know those standards don't apply strictly to political office, but they're certainly good guides. When a wife or husband is seriously needy and causing lots of problems at home, maybe it's an indicator that the spouse needs to focus on issues at home, not public life.
The Congressional “second wives’ club” has become a public disgrace in our national government, and it's a problem in both parties, not just the Democrats. Far too many people who were able to hold troubled marriages together when serving in state legislatures have had their marriages collapse once elected to Congress following a move to Washington due to distance from home, high stress levels, and (for male Congressmen) the availability of lots of young attractive female staff members who, unlike lots of “back home wives” are intensely interested in a political career and don't mind providing a Congressman some “comfort” when he's frustrated with his wife's “inability to appreciate her husband's accomplishments” because she wants him home for their son's baseball game or daughter's piano recital.
A man with a troubled marriage is going to have massive problems in Washington and in many state capitals as well. As American society continues to fall apart, we'll probably see the same pattern with younger female Congresswomen, but at least for now we don't have sexually predatory Congresswomen hunting the halls for available interns and staffers.
But then again, I need to leave for my county courthouse soon to get the papers on a woman in her twenties who got arrested Saturday for statutory rape of a 15-year-old (sounds like Newt Gingrich's former teacher) so maybe I shouldn't assume we don't have sexually predatory women in Congress already. I've heard some horror stories about attractive female elected officials in my own state government, and while they all involve consensual activities with male lobbyists and other male politicians, I suppose it's not impossible those women are also after male interns.
I don’t have a good explanation for why the most conservative and most strongly Bible Belt parts of the state seem to have been the sources of his strongest support.
I guess my hat is off to Gingrich. He’s proved — and proved with a double digit margin of victory — that lots of conservative Christians in a Bible Belt state are willing to vote for a three-times-married man with multiple past adulteries. I’m not sure what that says about the future of America, but it definitely does show that Gingrich has a fighting chance at winning the Republican nomination.
A) Christians believe in the power of forgiveness and that once God has forgiven a man, to bring it up later (Marianne) and throw it in his face is about as low as whale s**t.
B)40 + percent of marriages in this nation end in divorce. Christian marriages do not have better numbers than society as a whole. IOW, we understand.
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