While simply seeing justice served is what every citizen who cares about the Constitution and the rule of law hopes for, vindication and having the anti-birthers forced to eat crow would be a welcome bonus!
Posted on 01/19/2012 7:23:55 AM PST by Seizethecarp
Barack Obama has outlined a defense strategy for a multitude of state-level challenges to his candidacy on the 2012 presidential ballot in a Georgia case that is scheduled to come before a judge later this month – simply explain that states have nothing to do with the eligibility of presidential candidates.
“Presidential electors and Congress, not the state of Georgia, hold the constitutional responsibility for determining the qualifications of presidential candidates,” Obama’s lawyer argues in a motion to quash a subpoena for him to appear at the hearings Jan. 26.
“The election of President Obama by the presidential electors, confirmed by Congress, makes the documents and testimony sought by plaintiff irrelevant,” the lawyer said.
Hearing have been scheduled for that date for three separate issues to be handled. They all are raised by Georgia residents who are challenging Obama’s name on the 2012 ballot for various reasons, which they are allowed to do under state law.
It is states, usually through the office of secretary of state, that run elections, not the federal government. The national election is simply a compilation of the results of the individual elections within states.
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Exactly. Obama is the one who needs this thing resolved, if he wants to be on the ballot. Let him explain to everyone why he doesn’t consider the voters of GA worth the time that he would otherwise spend on a game of golf.
Ding...Ding...Ding!!!!
I think Obama created the whole BC controversy to obfuscate the fact he can’t deny (because he wrote a book a out it!), he can’t be a NBC because his father was not a citizen.
And now he’s brought Betty White into it!!!
To determine precedent, you must read the Holding or Ruling of the Court after you have read the question the Court has decided to answer.
What was the question SCOTUS decided to answer In Re Lockwood: Lockwood, Ex Parte, 154 U.S. 116 (1894)?
“Our interposition seems to be invoked upon the ground that petitioner has been denied a privilege or immunity belonging to her as a citizen of the United States, and enjoyed by the women of Virginia, in contravention of the second section of article 4 of the constitution, and of the fourteenth amendment.”
-Mr. Chief Justice FULLER
And here’s the answer:
“It was for the supreme court of appeals to construe the statute of Virginia in question, and to determine whether the word ‘person’ as therein used is confined to males, and whether women are admitted to practice law in that commonwealth. Leave denied.”
- Mr. Chief Justice FULLER
Both Lockwood and Minor are state’s rights cases as it pertains to the privileges and immunities clause. Each sets precedent for state’s rights. A mention of NBC status is dicta in both cases.
Obama was naturalized as a US Citizen after he returned from Indonesia. The information about parents not being able to renounce a minor’s citizenship is a policy instituted after Obama took office. Obama’s Indonesian citizenship is confirmed by his enrollment form at St. Francis Assisi, Jakarta, Indonesia, photographed by an AP photographer.
You should take a look at ObamaConspiracy.org Doc has a very scathing article up about Leo’s diatribe.
The old, old certified copies said ‘true copy of the record on file’. The newer ones say ‘abstract or true copy of the record on file’. The ‘abstract’ was probably added to cover the infamous COLBs, which are abstracts only and not a ‘true copy’.
The image in that god awful pdf is meant to be a ‘true copy’ since it has hand writting and written signatures. If someone really tries to claim it was ‘created’ from other documents to assemble the legal ‘abstract’ the would be a difficult argument.
Another useful purpose of abstract COLBs is for the legally adopted or those that have legally changed their identity. The COLB allows them to have a valid document from the state without a legally created ‘fake’ BC to make their adopted name or new identity. But look at the possibilty of mis-use of such a document. In fact the original COLB (that was also a fake - but a pretty good one) was attempt to do just that.
Obama’s buddy since the early 1980s was Bill Ayers. Ayers was (is?) a master at forged identities. The original COLB forgery was decent stuff but the LFBC was an statement of
‘Catch me if you can’.
“In Minor v. Happersett THIS COURT HELD”
Sorry bud, your argument fails by virtue of SCOTUS’ words themselves.
You can go bash your head over on that brick wall. You will achieve more that way.
While simply seeing justice served is what every citizen who cares about the Constitution and the rule of law hopes for, vindication and having the anti-birthers forced to eat crow would be a welcome bonus!
I hope the court case is as informative and through as this thread.
I think the writing is on the wall for Big O, I have noticed the trollish behavior is diminishing on this and other eligibility threads. I am a long time member and mostly lurk, but I want to thank you all for the excellent research and commentary on this topic. Please Buttered-zillion file that amicus brief, and I will start looking for crow recipes for our favorite Obots.
Thanks Wingtip. There are so many here who deserve recognition. It really has been a group effort among a significant number of people. I sure have not done it alone! It would have been impossible to get anywhere on this without the brilliant posters of FR. I could list name after name, LucyT, STARWISE, Fred Nerks, Rsxid, Buckeye Texan, Little Jeremiah, Spaulding, Butterdezillion, shoot...
I should not have started listing names because I have a mind like a steel sieve at times like this, Leo Donofrio I could spend the rest of my life thanking that man for what he has given back to us - our HISTORY(!), and several people who have passed information along anonymously...
If I missed your name (I know I suck! consider me spanked LOL), you know who you are! There are just so many to point to who have added to the discussion in positive ways... the HOURS spent in research has got to be in the thousands and it would have been impossible for just one person, or even ten. It has been a collaborative love of this country and our Constitution which made it happen. If nothing else I stand on the shoulders of giants, and I know it.
I am sincerely and repeatedly humbled by the brilliance and intelligence so many display here every day. If it were not for them, and this site, I would never have posted a single comment, or written a single article. FR and the people here changed my life. For the better.
If I have added to the discussion at all, then I have done good! I am grateful for the opportunity to have contributed!
Thats what I would do Butter. Have a lawyer write it up and send it on to the Georgia Court. Alternatively, have a lawyer write it up and then contact the most respectable of the three Attorneys who have the three separate cases. I would think Hatfield, but I don’t know the other one. Orly I sort of discount altogether.
Time is of the essence though, the 26th is fast approaching.
“I hope the court case is as informative and through as this thread.”
Amen and Amen, FRiend.
Placemark.
Suppose this happens and BO is kept off the GA ballot.
How do you suppose his campaign team will spin that one?
Sources close to the investigation say the posse has decided it needs to see original birth records before it can conclude whether Obama should be eligible for the presidential ballot in 2012, not an electronic file or scanned copies. The sources say the panel needs to examine the microfilm documenting Obama's birth, as well as the ink-and-paper original 1961 birth records the Hawaii Department of Health is holding in its vault.
Isn't that interesting? Obama's minions can fake his birth certificate, but they can't fake the microfilm records. They know the number on Obama's supposed BC and they know the numbers of the twins that were born at the same hospital at the same time as Obama. It would be interesting if they find their records on the microfilm and Obama's isn't there.
This is a very oversimplified way to evaluate the holding in a Supreme Court decision. The method for reaching the decision is often just as important or more important than the judgment on the question. A good example of this is the “lemon test” from Lemon v. Kurtzman, where a test was development for judging the establishment clause. In defining NBC, we have what amounts to a “Minor test” for which there is no higher legal alternative.
This is some kind of administrative court beneath the Secretary of State, not the Georgia judiciary. Does this count as a “civil suit”? At this stage? I’m not so sure.
Man, that's just crraaazy talk!
The election of President Obama by the presidential electors, confirmed by Congress, makes the documents and testimony sought by plaintiff irrelevant - Obama lawyerWhat's being said is that Obama is "deemed" eligible on account that the his candicacy previously had passed the Constitutional acid test; therefor he does not need to pass such test again.
What's before the regional court presently is precisely that issue. I'm certain that SCOTUS will weigh in on in that this issue has the same significance as the hanging chad issue in the FL general elction 2008; even a single State prohibiting his name on the ballot has significant Constitutional reverberations.
She should have said, "I'll show you my "original" if you show me yours. No, really.
Intriguing theory. Isn't the :) in the Alvin Onaka part of the stamp at the very least an an element of an over-the-top eff-u document by a taxpayer-funded (presuming the DOH creation involvement) department? Additionally, the "x" being in place of the "h" in the word "The" of that "stamp" is highly suspect, as far as the "stamp" on a pdf goes. Setting those aside, as my Japanese friends are wont to say, "Lazed Seeru, wa?"
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