Posted on 01/03/2012 1:02:05 AM PST by NoPrisoners
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This election is not going to be decided on birth control. Santorum made it clear that he was voicing his personal belief and not proposed policy.
While I don’t agree with Santorum on this, he is certainly correct to point out that there is a downside to contraception.
Lots of cold showers?
A real Catholic doesn’t support birth control. That makes sense as a rule that benefits society. Societies who don’t reproduce die out. When you have an enemy culture like the Muslims reproducing at a much more rapid rate, you hurt your society in the long run by being overrun by them. We can see how it’s happening in Europe with collapsing birthrates among whites and massive Muslim immigration and reproduction.
Low birthrates also hurt the economy as we’ve seen in Japan and Europe. They make a society weaker, less productive and gradually smaller.
God didn’t intend to make it easy for people not to have children. Sex was not created for human gratification, it was created to be a functioning process for reproduction. Birth control perverts the process in a completely unnatural and unintended way. The introduction of widespread birth control massively changed society and it’s difficult to see any of those changes as improvements.
Rick is right as some non-barrier forms of birth control actually kill babies as their function is to prevent a baby after he or she has been conceived from being able to implant his or her self in the womb.
This is Catholic teaching. Unlike the other “Catholics” in government, it seems Santorum is willing to actually obey their teaching. I’m not a Catholic, mind you, but it is something honorable to note.
However, I still prefer Perry over Santorum. Santorum strikes me as a mediocre candidate, but kudos on him for being brave enough to state an unpopular opinion.
“Sex was not created for human gratification, it was created to be a functioning process for reproduction.”
This, of course, is why Song of Solomon includes so much material on pregnancy and child-rearing.
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The Old Testament has a large number of stories about the desirability of conceiving children, and about the horror of being ‘barren’.
Attempting to divorce the sex act from pro-creation is one of our more modern perversions.
The pleasure is simply there to make reproduction functional. People wouldn’t engage in the act if it didn’t cause pleasure. The pleasure is there to facilitate reproduction, not for its own sake. That doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to enjoy it, but to use technology to suppress the reproductive process is a dangerous modern perversion of the biology that has sustained our species since the beginning.
The year is 2012, not 1612, go see a doc, he can fix you in about five minutes. Now don’t be scared, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasectomy
Rick is giving the traditional Catholic teaching on the subject. I am Catholic.
Here’s a relevent scoop from the current version of the Catechism, straight from the Vatican’s website:
“2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.
2361 “Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death.”143
Tobias got out of bed and said to Sarah, “Sister, get up, and let us pray and implore our Lord that he grant us mercy and safety.” So she got up, and they began to pray and implore that they might be kept safe. Tobias began by saying, “Blessed are you, O God of our fathers. . . . You made Adam, and for him you made his wife Eve as a helper and support. From the two of them the race of mankind has sprung. You said, ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make a helper for him like himself.’ I now am taking this kinswoman of mine, not because of lust, but with sincerity. Grant that she and I may find mercy and that we may grow old together.” And they both said, “Amen, Amen.” Then they went to sleep for the night.144
2362 “The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude.”145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:
The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.146
2363 The spouses’ union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple’s spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.
The conjugal love of man and woman thus stands under the twofold obligation of fidelity and fecundity.
* Conjugal fidelity
2364 The married couple forms “the intimate partnership of life and love established by the Creator and governed by his laws; it is rooted in the conjugal covenant, that is, in their irrevocable personal consent.”147 Both give themselves definitively and totally to one another. They are no longer two; from now on they form one flesh. The covenant they freely contracted imposes on the spouses the obligation to preserve it as unique and indissoluble.148 “What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.”149
2365 Fidelity expresses constancy in keeping one’s given word. God is faithful. The Sacrament of Matrimony enables man and woman to enter into Christ’s fidelity for his Church. Through conjugal chastity, they bear witness to this mystery before the world.
St. John Chrysostom suggests that young husbands should say to their wives: I have taken you in my arms, and I love you, and I prefer you to my life itself. For the present life is nothing, and my most ardent dream is to spend it with you in such a way that we may be assured of not being separated in the life reserved for us. . . . I place your love above all things, and nothing would be more bitter or painful to me than to be of a different mind than you.150
* The fecundity of marriage
2366 Fecundity is a gift, an end of marriage, for conjugal love naturally tends to be fruitful. A child does not come from outside as something added on to the mutual love of the spouses, but springs from the very heart of that mutual giving, as its fruit and fulfillment. So the Church, which is “on the side of life,”151 teaches that “it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life.”152 “This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act.”153
2367 Called to give life, spouses share in the creative power and fatherhood of God.154 “Married couples should regard it as their proper mission to transmit human life and to educate their children; they should realize that they are thereby cooperating with the love of God the Creator and are, in a certain sense, its interpreters. They will fulfill this duty with a sense of human and Christian responsibility.”155
2368 A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood. Moreover, they should conform their behavior to the objective criteria of morality:
When it is a question of harmonizing married love with the responsible transmission of life, the morality of the behavior does not depend on sincere intention and evaluation of motives alone; but it must be determined by objective criteria, criteria drawn from the nature of the person and his acts criteria that respect the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love; this is possible only if the virtue of married chastity is practiced with sincerity of heart.156
2369 “By safeguarding both these essential aspects, the unitive and the procreative, the conjugal act preserves in its fullness the sense of true mutual love and its orientation toward man’s exalted vocation to parenthood.”157
2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159
Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.160”
I don’t honestly know much about his current stances for other things. I do agree with his pro-life statements I’ve seen, as well as those on marriage and birth control. Whether you like him or hate him, you may wish to consider that the media is doing it’s best to attempt, again, to influence perception of Republican candidates, in hopes of us getting a relatively weak one to run against Obama. Don’t fall for their schtick. Check out the video of Alan Colmes on Fox. We’ll see more of that sort of liberal/progressive tripe, as the year rolls on.
Rick assumes facts not in evidence.
And the circular firing squad will form here.
“Birth control” is a wide category. He does limit his list to “artificial birth control.” (Which includes the rhythm and more scientific natural family planning.)
However, he assumption is that birth control is relevant outside of marriage. Sex outside of marriage is always wrong.
However, there is no sin in sex within marriage and there’s no sin for committed couples to use birth control that doesn’t endanger any children who do result and who would never consider abortion for serendipitous pregnancies.
Newt thinks oral isn’t sex. We aren’t voting for their most intimate beliefs. Palin had many private beliefs that didn’t enter the equation when she was potentially running for office. Santorum will not run on a no birth control platform.
This is true. While I do not think “family planning” (outside of abortion) ought to be banned by governments, there is a downside to it, especially where it makes sex outside of marriage very easy.
Quite the opposite.
There’s a reason why assistive reproductive technologies are also a bad thing.
Two aspects of sex - unitive and procreative. Both have to be there. You can argue that sex is fun because it was made for us, or the other way around, that we were made to enjoy sex.
Good to see Santorum standing up for Church teachings.
“However, there is no sin in sex within marriage and there’s no sin for committed couples to use birth control that doesn’t endanger any children who do result and who would never consider abortion for serendipitous pregnancies.”
If children are a gift from God, you are saying, no God, don’t bless me with children. You are supposed to embrace God’s blessings, not reject them.
EXACTLY. It's the reproductive system, not the pleasure system.
When you take pleasure in eating and suppress the digestive process we call that bulimia. When you take pleasure in breathing but suppress respiration we call that suffocation. When you take pleasure in going to the bathroom but suppress excreting, well, I don't know what the heck we call that but it ain't pretty. The pleasure accompanies the function--to cut it out of its proper sphere and isolate it is demented.
If you don't want any more kids, then exercise a tiny bit of self-control and make use of the woman's naturally occurring infertile periods, rather than mutilating yourself chemically or surgically.
Apparently mutilating yourself is ok these days.
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